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[Marc v4.0]

I actually assumed that, somehow, HE had created the blasts to reinforce the lie.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

I actually assumed that, somehow, HE had created the blasts to reinforce the lie.

But if he could use the ring without wearing it then that would make his scramble to retrieve it from Hector's body even dumber.

[Fifthfiend]

I forget where I saw it said but I basically agree that if you're going to do a Hal Jordan movie you just do like, the J.J. Abrams version of Jim Kirk, but with superpowers.

If you HAVE to do an actual character arc with him, you just like, have him be too cocky and overconfident in a way that fucks things up real bad at some point, and then he learns the lesson that confidence and power don't have to be incompatible with humility and working with other people.

I mean I don't even like Hal Jordan, and I don't think I can in good conscience blame Hal Jordan for this movie purportedly sucking, because making a movie all about him doubting himself all over the place is just like, the dumbest thing you could possibly do with Hal Jordan.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

I forget where I saw it said but I basically agree that if you're going to do a Hal Jordan movie you just do like, the J.J. Abrams version of Jim Kirk, but with superpowers.

If you HAVE to do an actual character arc with him, you just like, have him be too cocky and overconfident in a way that fucks things up real bad at some point, and then he learns the lesson that confidence and power don't have to be incompatible with humility and working with other people.

I mean I don't even like Hal Jordan, and I don't think I can in good conscience blame Hal Jordan for this movie purportedly sucking, because making a movie all about him doubting himself all over the place is just like, the dumbest thing you could possibly do with Hal Jordan.

Exactly. What you just said was right on the money. In this movie he was just... kind of a bitch. And that's not how he should have been. The guy ain't Peter Parker. He's not an emotionally deep character that needs to develop from fraidy cat to hero. If they were so set on using that arc they could have chosen a more appropriate character.

He didn't tank the movie (that was the bullshit that they called a plot) but he did weigh it down a bit more than a protagonist should.

And I really wanted to see the real Hal Jordan onscreen. But apparently a slightly conservative military man who doesn't take any bullshit isn't what people like to see anymore.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

And I really wanted to see the real Hal Jordan onscreen. But apparently a slightly conservative military man who doesn't take any bullshit isn't what people like to see anymore.

In fairness, I wouldn't be bringing up AbramsKirk if Star Trek hadn't made a fuck ton of money, so it's not like brash, ballsy no-fucks heromen don't exist or can't succeed.

EDIT: Come to that, there's Iron Man, who's made two fuck tons of money now, so you can't even say that the audience for the superhero subgenre won't follow that kind of hero.

[Marc v4.0]

I'd like to see AbramsKirk with a Ring of Power, now that you bring it up..

Or Tony Stark, if you can find one that runs off of booze and being a lovable shithead

[Fifthfiend]

Movie Tony would actually work pretty well as a GL since if there's one thing he has it's willpower; at pretty much every point in those movies, whatever else you can say about him, he is super, super definite about whatever it is he is trying to do. Like when he's an arms dealer he's like AMERICA MOTHERFUCKERS ARMS4LYFE YEAH and then when he turns the other way he's like FUCK MAKIN WEAPONS YEAH ARC REACTOR and at all points he's pretty much no-fucks about what anyone else says about it or wants him to do.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

In fairness, I wouldn't be bringing up AbramsKirk if Star Trek hadn't made a fuck ton of money, so it's not like brash, ballsy no-fucks heromen don't exist or can't succeed.

EDIT: Come to that, there's Iron Man, who's made two fuck tons of money now, so you can't even say that the audience for the superhero subgenre won't follow that kind of hero.

I didn't mean that as a statement of my beliefs but how I thought the production team for this movie pissed away what made the character so great.

This movie did feel a lot more like Iron Man (I'm sure they meant it to) than I was expecting but with none of the same impact. Tony Stark was an instantly likable guy who had his flaws (some he worked towards fixing and others he didn't) whereas Hal in this movie never moved beyond being that one guy it'd be fun to have a drink with but never hang out with sober.

Let's look at Hal's character arc: he goes from being a cocky bastard who is secretly afraid of everything to a cocky bastard who has a much better game face and is now in charge of saving people's lives. The character never really evolved past his exterior. Throughout the movie I liked him but I still thought he was a dick.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Movie Tony would actually work pretty well as a GL since if there's one thing he has it's willpower; at pretty much every point in those movies, whatever else you can say about him, he is super, super definite about whatever it is he is trying to do. Like when he's an arms dealer he's like AMERICA MOTHERFUCKERS ARMS4LYFE YEAH and then when he turns the other way he's like FUCK MAKIN WEAPONS YEAH ARC REACTOR and at all points he's pretty much no-fucks about what anyone else says about it or wants him to do.

As I recall from my hazy reading up on GL, the Rings only works on "Pure" Willpower. So Willpower motivated by anger or hate or selfishness or whatever makes it a lot harder to form coherant constructs and brings massive fatigue on the user.

I'm not really sure if it would apply to Movie Tony, as his will seems to come from the overwhelming belief in his own awesomeness, which is actually supported by the world around him.

[MFD]

Dammit you guys. Now I want Amalgam movies. Particularly an Emerald Lantern movie starring RDJ.

EDIT: Or was it just Iron Lantern? I forget...

EDIT 2: Now I'm home and can look it up. Iron Lantern it is.