My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Nikose Tyris]

@Oron: Aww, Thanks. ^^ I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm a bit rusty, but I really enjoyed this mafia game. Sorry for what feels like me losing the entire game for the mafia though!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

That would have been fine if he didn't beat eveyrone else into posting too. Like it did work out for town but its a very risky strategy.
As long as he acknowledges that and stops berating everyone else I'm fine.

Nikose: You only lost it for the mafia because of my sweet cult hypnosis rays. I took you guys down with me!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Nik was sorta akin to a clown at the eye of a storm in terms of how bizarre he was. Like, I was certain that we'd have to throw him to the dogs eventually, but he continuously managed to throw everyone off kilter. I was scum to but even i was almost convinced by him!

[Geminex]

Mind you, even if more activity doesn't necessarily make a town win more likely, it does make for a much more enjoyable game. I mean, we got 1460 posts. We had an incompetent mare, a derping genius and a bunch of other developments, much more dynamic, than we would have had with a slower-paced game. And I think the game was better for it.

Edit: And bard, I totally sniffed you out.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I've told you how you outed the vig. It wasn't in one of your posts. Lrn to read. FFS.
Like I could go through and find the exact hawk.gem posts that outed him but that is irrelevant in this conversation because I'm not talking to them. I'm saying you got everyone to post which gave us hepas of information. Information the cult can use to fuck everyone.

If that's the extent of your criticism, then my response is simply that I'd take the exact same calculated risk every time, because Town needs more information much, much more than Scum or Cult does, given the respective positions and knowledge disparities of Mafia, Cult and Town in the beginning of the game.

And I don't think you're quite grasping the irony of the fact that, in judging my game as "not great" (or "terrible," whichever wording you'd prefer) you're making the exact same judgment of me that you're criticizing me of making in others. Only, well, in your case you haven't even supported your criticism of me with facts, so it just initially seems less authentic and more petty.

Like, half of your argument against me seems to be "Snake, don't tell other Mafia players they played a terrible game, this is just for fun," and then the other half is "By the way, you played a terrible game. And I won't even tell you what you did wrong or how you could have improved. You were just awful" (with the implicit assumption that because you can judge my playstyle as poor, you must be better and the very same kind of 'great' player you're chastising me for being confident in being.)

Do you see the inherent contradiction there? If you're going to criticize my play I think it's fair of me to ask that you at least do the same thing I try to do when I criticize others, which is justify my perspectives with some articulation of "what went wrong." In Sifright's and Earl's cases, the exact nature of their mistakes have been reflected on by everyone tenfold, but in my case the extent of the criticism appears to have been "I have no idea what the fuck you were up to D1," which is pretty much what I intended.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Snake how simple do I have to make this?
You didn't know the distribution of power roles Day 1. Thus getting infromation from everyone is dangerous.
How am I not articualtiong? The entire extent of my problem is that the mass information dumps that you propogated day 1 are dangerous.
I know what you were up to. I know what your plan was. It is not a complex web of deciet. It is getting information from everyone to hep town make their lynch decision and prevent low activity mafia while also casting yourself in a suspect light so you don't get night targeted cause scum will feel confident they can lynch.

And there is a difference between saying "Snake didn't play the most amazing game on the face of the planet thus allowing him to criticise others" and "Everyone except me was playing terribly on day 1".
And their are two halves of my argument. 1) You don't need to criticise everyone so harsly. And 2) even if you did your position is not as solid as you think it is.
My position is very very simple snake. I have articulated it over and over.
I'm out. You are not reading my posts. I don't care anymore.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Mind you, even if more activity doesn't necessarily make a town win more likely, it does make for a much more enjoyable game. I mean, we got 1460 posts. We had an incompetent mare, a derping genius and a bunch of other developments, much more dynamic, than we would have had with a slower-paced game. And I think the game was better for it.

That is true. And fun is more important than anything So thanks for that Snake.
Criticism revoked! Us cults are totally fickle.
Like the one day I was alive was pretty sweet.

Man this has to be a record for mafia posts.

[Geminex]

Like the one day I was alive was pretty sweet.

Nah. You totally stank the place up. Like wow, do you cultists take a vow never to bathe or something?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

@Snake: You played excellently, but I had you pegged as a scum role since day 1. And you weren't scum. Fillibustering [fuckin lol] draws attention to yourself, and mafia is more about finding that perfect mix of 'remaining active and participating' and "don't look at me don't look at me DON'T LOOK AT ME", regardless of character role.

You post in a different color, came into the game with a theme [albeit a very Town-esque theme] and posted super long messages.

It's one of those "He's RIGHT THERE let's just get him" factors. Going after the biggest target, if you will.

Everything you just described was entirely intentional on my part, and something I wanted to play to my advantage as I wanted people to lead lynches on me (and I wanted you as scum to basically do exactly what you did in outing yourself by going after me.)

Like, that's just the thing, this is a difference in Smarty and I's perspectives in playing the game. Because I like being an active Mafia player I don't mind turning the spotlight on me and getting everyone to post in a frenzy. The activity benefits my own personal analyses, which let me go 5 of 7 in serious suspicions D1. It also lets the game revolve around me, which is precisely what I want when I attempt this playstyle; I dictate the pace because I can handle the consequences.

My biggest error was believing that this would all actually lead Scum to want to keep me around, because they'd perceive me as an easy lynch target. Which is precisely what I want because there's no other alternative with me; given my reputation as a decent Mafia player and a smart lawyer guy, either I act scummy enough to be kept alive or I'm killed as a potential threat almost immediately. No one's going to buy a version of Snake that's inactive or that doesn't post Walls of Text. So either I play as a perfectly productive, uncontroversial Townie with accurate suspicions (who gets killed very quickly) OR I drudge up enough controversy that Scum keeps me alive, all the while 'hiding' my real feelings in a few serious posts that some folks might pick up on.

Like the whole 'suspecting Nikose / turning on IHMN' thing was a hugely controversial bluff designed merely to see how everyone would react. It was risky, sure. But it wasn't stupid so long as Scum thought "Well, so long as Snake is that crazy, we can keep him alive as opposed to killing him despite his walls of activity D1." And that's what I wanted: I wanted Scum to feel they didn't have to hang me N1. (Because given my playstyle, when I'm Town, I am only too often killed N1.)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Nah. You totally stank the place up. Like wow, do you cultists take a vow never to bathe or something?

Bathing is unholy.

And Snake, from the cult perspective your strategy worked quite well. I wouldn't have pushed for a kill of you. But that's because I also like having lots of information to pick targets- having similar success in picking as you did picking scum. Probably would have culted you eventually somepoint though.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

And there is a difference between saying "Snake didn't play the most amazing game on the face of the planet thus allowing him to criticise others" and "Everyone except me was playing terribly on day 1".

Uhh, well, the "everyone except me was playing terribly on Day 1 until I showed up" tidbit was poorly worded on my end. What I meant to say was something more along the lines of, "Given my preferred playstyle I'm sure glad I showed up and ruffled a few feathers D1; even if you disliked my half-joking insults, they spurred (what I believe to be) a desirable result in increased activity."

Plenty of people ended up playing solid games. IHMN (and not me) was definitely the game's MVP, and I gave Gem a well-deserved second place. Any insinuation to the contrary was not intended.