Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!"

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Gregness

@Sifright - This may just be a fundamental difference in how we view the game then, but we don't win by trying to not-lose. A win is a win regardless of whether one townie is left or if six townies are left. So, we shouldn't be considering saving townies as much as we should be considering killing mafiates. Now, 90% of the time those two are one and the same, but in the times they aren't you have to go with killing mafiates.

When you know both of the current options being offered to the blood god's skull throne are both likely to be town you don't sacrifice them upon his throne just because he hungers for skulls. You look for another option granted this is what the rest of your post says as well but it bears repeating that in the short term you do the sensible thing and stop a likely town death if possible and then work towards getting a mafiate killed.

In this case a single vote from IC was enough to push the vote to a stalemate and keep both of them alive whilst other options are considered, this is a good move to make.

The point i was making about you viewing thing in a binary fashion was because you didn't appear to be taking into account the mariad of options his actions led to and went with a very tight and narrow focus even whilst having in front of you in this thread evidence which points to the opposite.

Edit: fuck i've spent a lot of wordies defending some one that doesn't need defending.

[Gregness]

Originally Posted by Sifright

*snip*

Edit: fuck i've spent a lot of wordies defending some one that doesn't need defending.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. My FoS's send grown men running to their mothers and give innocent southern girls the vapors.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Sifright, there isn't a point in arguing with Gregness. He is clearly of the opinion there should never be any reason period about why to tie up the votes, as its better to let confirmed townies die rather than have a no lynch. Apparently.

[BahamutFlare]

Originally Posted by Oron

And what was that "tad suspicion" early on? Hopefully not some metagame reasoning, which you've stated your support for already. The popping in to vote for Ryong real quick, sure, but what was there previously?

Hey, enlighten me. I feel like I'm missing something.

When Sifright voted Fenris for the meta reasons, Fenris actually felt the need to defend himself. His defense proved to have no relevant content. Odds are being his first vote, it was going to switch at some point during the day, and a reason as meta as that isn't going to hold water for very long. Every post seemed unnecessary.

Fenris stated that he was mostly town in games prior to Homestruck. Then I say that the post was irrelevant. Then he agrees that the entire discussion was irrelevant. If you knew the argument was irrelevant, why make it?

Also, I have conditions for using meta as a reason and it being acceptable. I'm ok with meta for the first day. It generates discussion, makes people talk. But after D1, it's uses become severely limited.

[Ecks]

I understand what hes getting at, lynch is the towns only weapon and not using it is very bad form. It gives scum a free night kill, for one thing. But Fenris also had a point: lynching people for stupid reasons is also bad form.

My vote stands. Unless a blatant scum tell dances naked in my face I still think rpg is being scummy. That or at the very least he needs to properly explain why me going back to a previous suspect is somehow bandwagon voting.

[Oron]

Originally Posted by BahamutFlare

When Sifright voted Fenris for the meta reasons, Fenris actually felt the need to defend himself. His defense proved to have no relevant content. Odds are being his first vote, it was going to switch at some point during the day, and a reason as meta as that isn't going to hold water for very long. Every post seemed unnecessary.

Fenris stated that he was mostly town in games prior to Homestruck. Then I say that the post was irrelevant. Then he agrees that the entire discussion was irrelevant. If you knew the argument was irrelevant, why make it?

Also, I have conditions for using meta as a reason and it being acceptable. I'm ok with meta for the first day. It generates discussion, makes people talk. But after D1, it's uses become severely limited.

Fenris was stating the whole argument was irrelevant because Sifright's metagame-reasoning was irrelevant. He said what he said in response to Sifright's meta-vote. I completely understand Fenris and RPG arguing against metagaming, and your argument still sounds like a defense of metagaming.

[Oron]

My point was that you made it seem like there was another reason to be suspicious of Fenris aside from anything tied to the metagame debate that had just occurred. I'm still waiting for that reason, simply because I like to have as many facts as possible before I cast my vote for the day.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Wooo, that's a lot of postsplosion to read through on 1.5 hours' worth of sleep. But I think I can do this now...

UNVOTE: Inbred Chocobo

Vote: rpgdemon

[rpgdemon]

Since I'm going to be lynched:

I am: Demoman, BLU "...yer arses ass and I'm the grass man, punk yeah ya havin' heathen..." Drunkard

Pay attention to that formatting. Something there is very obviously impossible to have without having been given it by the GM. If you don't know what it is, then you're probably scum.

[Gregness]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

Sifright, there isn't a point in arguing with Gregness. He is clearly of the opinion there should never be any reason period about why to tie up the votes, as its better to let confirmed townies die rather than have a no lynch. Apparently.

While there's always an exception to every rule, yes that is my position. Small correction though, NO ONE is a confirmed townie yet. The evidence certainly suggests that you, Sif, and Ryong are town, but one or more of you could be scum pulling off a masterful ruse.

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Since I'm going to be lynched:

I am: Demoman, BLU "...yer arses ass and I'm the grass man, punk yeah ya havin' heathen..." Drunkard

Pay attention to that formatting. Something there is very obviously impossible to have without having been given it by the GM. If you don't know what it is, then you're probably scum.

Again, it's important to be skeptical in Mafia games. I see the thing you're talking about, but there's always the possibility you could've faked it.

tl;dr - You guys are all lying fucks until proven otherwise.