Hatland Mafia

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Hawk

It also occurs to me that Sif is also posting differently this time. Much less active, much more coherent and large posts. He did start going down this road towards the end of last game though so it could just be an improvement of his posting style. If he suddenly drops in activity throughout the game then alarm bells will start ringing for me.

You all complained last game about my posting so I changed my posting style mid way through last game

Originally Posted by Sifright

I'm also trying not to post in short drabbles, I'm pretty sure every one hated that last game and I did as well so this is just a continuation of me moving away from that like I did in the previous game when Fenris legitimately bitched at me.

So yea, it's not surprising I've changed my posting style when every one complained about it, I find it odd your using that against me though.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Sifright

You all complained last game about my posting so I changed my posting style mid way through last game



So yea, it's not surprising I've changed my posting style when every one complained about it, I find it odd your using that against me though.

tbh it's probably because Snake has put this entire game in a "compare everything people are doing to everything people have done" sort of mindset.

[Revising Ocelot]

We're not doing FoS's, are we?

Anyway, sticking Geminex on "the list" for suddenly becoming best bros with my #1 non-Smarty suspect.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Sifright

You all complained last game about my posting so I changed my posting style mid way through last game



So yea, it's not surprising I've changed my posting style when every one complained about it, I find it odd your using that against me though.

Yeah I'm not holding it against you, just comparing what I've noticed about people with how they're acting now, which is why I mentioned RPG as well. He's acting mostly the same as far as I can tell, but whether that's a sign of scumminness or just how he is I don't know yet.

As for yourself, posting style aside, I don't think I was ever quite sure of your allegiance all last game, but it seemed everyone else had started taking you as confirmed at one point, so I was reluctant to test it. It could be I'm just harbouring some old bias. Plus you were one of the most active last time and someone who stuck in my memory, so I'm just working with what I know right now. I mean I could try and do an analysis of Greg or Ocelot or whoever, but it would be pretty pointless as I can barely remember what they were like.

I do agree with your points on Karesh and Aldurin though. Something about their town claims just doesn't sit right.

[Geminex]

Okayyys. Let's take this from the top.

On the Snake-RPGdemon issue. I maintain my earlier stance on the Snake, thing. Snake's strategy seems to be to generate activity. He's elaborated on this. And while he did have a bunch of lower-content posts, I'm gonna put that down as an aftermath of last game's conclusion. He seems to have stabilized now, so to speak. Mind you, there is this:

Anyway, I won't delightfully shout "TRAPPED!" this time, because apparently many of you seem to dislike that, but instead I'll just attempt to more calmly note that sometimes the benefit of being Town and acting controversial enough to try to get a lynch train started against you is the knowledge that Scum, assuming you might seriously be lynched, will try to make themselves look good by expressing "minor reservations" about lynching someone they know isn't on their Scumteam.

Thus, I'll FOS: Geminex for simultaneously mentioning that he'd be open to the possibility of "policy lynching" me while expressing that "Snake may just be being Snake," which is basically a classic scum hedge intended to make him sound reasonable after I flip.

(I only just saw this bit, and while you've unvoted me, I'd like to respond properly)

I... kinda see your logic here, but really? I never said I'd be open to a policy lynch on you. When I said 'policy lynch', I was referring to the Earl/Kerensky argument of "He writes too much, he's unproductive'. That's what a policy lynch is, isn't it? One that's based on playstyle rather than concrete suspicions. As for being moderate, my basis for that was uncertainty, because, again, it was 11 PM and I hadn't had time to consider the matter more thoroughly, go through the thread again. I try to do that before posting. I'm pretty sure I said exactly that. And in that light, it seems weird that you'd give me a FOS just because I didn't unequivocally came to your defense straight away. Particularly since I said that I was definitely against a lynch that happened before further discussion.

In any case, the law school is truth. Contract Law, Criminal law and Government law. Doing it in germany, so the system's different, but we can totally discuss Weighty Legal Matters later on.

Anyway, let's get on with it.
RPGdemon: Behavior is liable to change between games. That is a fact. And I don't think increasing confidence on RPGdemon's part is cause for suspicion on its own. The question is, what else is there to incriminate him? I don't think there's that much. He got into the argument with Snake earlier on, but given the controversy behind snake's strategies, that isn't solid enough. Not sure about the whole 'replace me' thing, but I'm honestly not sure what it'd achieve, or if it's even noteworthy.

Karesh... not sure about Karesh. He seems benign right now, but while he has quite a few posts, his stuff is usually low- or no-content, and that is kinda strange. I mean, it's day 1, but still, as far as I can tell, the most productive he's been is when he talked about Fenris' behaviors in the last few games, and even that wasn't entirely serious.

Earl is definitely weird. His points against snake were groundless, and it's been mentioned that his roleclaim doesn't sit right.

Uhm. That's really all I've got so far. I've tried to observe the others a bit, but the Snake discussion has really seemed central so far. I really don't feel like I can express any suspicion, cause what I've seen so far falls pretty solidly within the bounds of D1 behavior, as far as I can tell. I'll keep an eye out. We've got another two days after all.

Also, RO, we are law school bros. That transcends your petty little mafia by the power of mutual suffering.

[rpgdemon]

Re: Karesh and Aldurin

I'm seeing this either as definitely scummy, or some sort of ploy to trick the scum into trying to kill him. Like, we'll be losing one person a day, and the scum killing off all the vanillas first would be really advantageous, instead of killing off power roles.

Aldurin did the same thing as Karesh, first(ish) post going, "Oh, man, I'm a vanilla townie! I suck too much to not be," then even called someone out that their logic was bad when they said that they're not scum, because they're too bad at being scum to be scum again.

Karesh is going after P-Sleazy though, which makes me double-suspicious. I still suspect Snake enough to keep my vote there, but can you explain why P-Sleazy? Since it's looking rather sleazy that a bunch of people all happened to "randomly" vote for him.

If P-Sleazy is still leading by the end of the day, I'll switch my vote to whoever is trailing him in second, since I think letting someone die with absolutely zero reasoning behind it is a poor plan, and ideally there will be a reason to vote for the second place guy.

[Geminex]

Also, I'd be interested in IC. What's his usual playstyle?

[Aldurin]

Regarding your suspicions, yes it was probably stupid for me to reveal my role so early, I just wanted to establish that I couldn't do anything if I wanted to.

For my accusation against Snake, I do believe it is well-founded in the fact that Snake doesn't even seem to be trying to be helpful. His logic circles and calling everybody out at once is more disorienting than anything and I do think he may be trying to talk himself into such a strong pile of confusion that nobody can make a strong case against him not helping town.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I seem to be having difficulty figuring out anything from you guys, as ya'll are just making some jumbled mess of accusations and confusion, and not really getting anywhere. Most of all, a lot of the discussion is about how people act in other games, and I would seriously like entirely the topic dropped. Behavior changes will happen, however subtle due to a number of reasons. A person can both attempt to replicate the behavior of themselves when they were innocent, and they can also change their behavior, simply because people are saying different things, requiring a different response.

Basically, comparing current behavior with past behavior is a fruitless effort that is just going to cause problems and get innocents lynched, and I would rather not see that happen.

Now, onto the point where I accuse people of things.

Aldurin, your roleclaim was early and ill done. A skilled player without a reputation could maybe pull it off and be scum under the radar, but your basic gist is that you made a poor response. Now, you are really just a target for scum to kill without much to go on. (though to be fair, scum may not kill you to make it look like you are, but then that is wine glass in front of me logic and noted and moved on.)

Karesh, I've prodded your flames now, and your general reaction to my vote was pleasing, so for now I am
Unvote: Karesh

Geminex, my playstyle may or may not vary from game to game, allowing for multiple possibilities based on how I act, with influences from my role, how other people are acting, general theme of the mafia game, time of month, whether or not the planets are aligning, and what I had for breakfast that day.

Also, you people posting, hey reading backlog, or hey, I'm lost and confused. Stop that, Stop that right now. Its annoying, and just adds additional posts where none are needed. Why don't you try posting after reading the backlogs.

Finally
Vote: Shyria
One post, a joke post, on a band-wagon that is starting to feel stronger. Change vote or explain reasoning on why you will still be voting for P-Sleazy.

[rpgdemon]

I was thinking on it even more, and I'm definitely feeling more comfortable (More CONFIDENT OMG) in voting Snake or Sifright. By saying that showing confidence = scum, they're trying to get me to theorize less, post less, and play less, which means worse things for the town. This goes directly against Snake's whole, "I wanted dialogs to happen! They're good for the town!" thing that he was saying. It's true that conversation is good for the town, so why do you want a player to stop posting things that lead to conversation.

You say that you sparked this big dialog a few pages back, Snake, which pulls focus off of what started the big dialog in the first place: You seemed very suspicious.


I am kind of curious why you moved off of Karesh and onto Shyria though, IC. If it's a matter of the P-Sleazy vote, Karesh is voting for him still, too.