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Unread 07-20-2016, 02:28 PM   #151
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Yeah, those are all pretty valid bugs. In some ways the last series was really impressive and made me want to see more! In others, it was a let down and I'm kind of losing interest. RWBY Chibi is pretty fun though.
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Unread 07-20-2016, 03:53 PM   #152
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Yeah, those are all pretty valid bugs. In some ways the last series was really impressive and made me want to see more! In others, it was a let down and I'm kind of losing interest. RWBY Chibi is pretty fun though.
Its a fun little distraction.

I think part of the hiccups was the death of the creator, allow me to elaborate. From what I understand he had a tendency to grab onto things he personally liked and integrate it. But he managed to keep things consistent enough that it wasn't glaringly obvious. With him gone they probably cared more about setting things up moving forward. Alot of the deaths felt more like clearing out anyone that didn't have a long term place in the story.

My issue is it felt alot like it got dark for the sake of being dark. I don't feel like it added much but it took away alot. Its like in Death Note when L died. Ok you are showing things are serious, villain (ok in that the protagonist) won but you also kind of removed the most interesting aspects of the story soooo...
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Yeah, that's pretty much my biggest problem. Same issue I had with Death Note exactly, actually, good point. Like, things looked like they could get so interesting, stuff I don't think I'd ever seen before in a good show could have happened. Some really interesting plots, and then... Vwip. Nope. Cut off. Right in the exact same cliche way that you'd see in any hundred action shows you'd care to name. Kind of scuppered what I liked best about RWBY.

That said, I don't think it was just 'clearing things out'. There's plenty of evidence that stuff was planned out exactly the way it happened from the very beginning. I just don't think it was a very good plan.
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Unread 07-20-2016, 04:13 PM   #154
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That said, I don't think it was just 'clearing things out'. There's plenty of evidence that stuff was planned out exactly the way it happened from the very beginning. I just don't think it was a very good plan.
I know somethings weren't planned to start and they are the biggest example of my issues. Those I will detail now
Roman was not supposed to last past season one but he was so well liked by the creator and writers they kept him in, kinda like how Sokka wasn't supposed to be important. You can see evidence of this early on since his gang instantly evaporates. Its not shocking at all he died, there was nothing planned for him. I have an issue with how he died more than anything. Anti-climatic and just weak.

Neo is another example, last minute add on to the series so again probably not much planned for her. Though she might still be around I doubt she'll be integral tot he plot. These two are a good example of what was lost. Partly for being the most enjoyable antagonists, but we also got indication these two had some degree of affection for each other despite them being a sadist and a self serving psychopath. It would have been like a Joker/Harley Quinn things but an actual relationship instead of an abusive one people mistake for romance.

Similarly Jaun and Pyrrha was actually something I was invested in. It was a nice gender flipping of the usual outcaste girl talented guy trope. It was nice to see their mutual growth. Now she was meant to die, but it was supposed to be alot sooner. Which probably explains why the grim/dark seemed to come all at once and also why she suddenly became so downright suicidal.

Sure their deaths were planned just I think they were more concerned with killing them off than the how and why of it.
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Bananya is too stupid even for me. I'm gonna watch Re: Zero instead. I'll let you know what I think when I catch up.

Overcast, are you watching the whole series all at once or what?
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First point, yep, though I can see why things happened the way they did. It fit quite perfectly with the way the world was supposed to work, to my feelings, but it's a perfectly legit thing to be annoyed about. Honestly, such an anti-climactic end... I can't see a better ending for his character. It fit him. He was always pretty small time, wrapped up in very big time things that he couldn't control. Being done in by his own disaster is just... Yeah, that's how it should happen.

Second point, well, that's mostly assumption. We'll find out, I suspect. The relationship though, yeah, I mean we only really saw them together very briefly, but holy crap. They were a titan-killing team. I do hope Neo returns, she's pretty popular.

Third point! I've seen enough anime that that dynamic wasn't really new to me, but I was pretty invested in them. But... Sooner, no. This was always where Pyrrha was supposed to die. The big change, so far as I can work out, was that originally it was supposed to be Jaune getting in the way that got her killed (Which is pretty much the only way they could have made her death more cliche, so I'm not exactly sad they changed it).

There was an issue where the seasons contained less than they planned, like how season 2 and 3 were probably supposed to be together, but production issues meant they had to be separate. Which, if anything, just means they had more time to develop what was coming.

As for her getting suicidal... Well, looking at how she was spending the last half of Volume 3... It's hard to see her acting any other way.

I think we agree on the base problem though. They stuck to the original plan too rigidly and couldn't change away from it when it sort of... didn't work with how stuff was developing. But then again, maybe they were happy with how things turned out. I think it was a waste, but... The show was probably always meant to go in this direction. Which is a shame - not the dark stuff, I eat that up, but character death is just... there's very few right ways to do it, and they didn't manage any of them here. It's a real shame.
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Unread 07-20-2016, 09:32 PM   #157
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Finally caught up with Sunshine and man, the similarities are very confusing. You'd think the show would try to distance itself from the original as much as possible, but it's doing the opposite and actually drawing those comparisons itself. Dia liking Eli, Ruby's favourite being Hanayo, Maru's entire arc is directly paralleled to Rin's, even down to the rooftop being their practice place. I'm half expecting Nico to appear aboard Arsenal Live and say the whole thing was a set-up to create the ultimate idol-group.

Also slightly disappointed that we didn't get to see Dia go ballistic about the idol group being approved and Ruby joining it.
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They even wear the same outfits to practice. It's insane. For Hanamaru's episode, _mike and I were kinda hoping that something from the promotional materials would show up, where her family runs a Buddhist temple, but Maru sings in the local Christian choir because she thought they didn't sound as good as they should. That's totally different from anything else in LL, and is almost enough to carry a show on its own, but nothing (probably because it's just too much to fit into an ensemble show). Not even a "I already have somewhere to sing, just without the gymnastics."

That said, I still liked the episode a lot, and at least Maru's uncertainty comes from a very different place than Rin's. And the sister stuff was new and cute and sad.

Also, been catching up on Re Zero, and it's really neat how episode 4 manages to end on a cliffhanger without letting the audience know what cliff we've begun to hang from. And Subaru is growing on me as a protagonist. And Emilia's mom game is strong. I can't wait for awful things to start happening and staying happened.
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Unread 07-27-2016, 11:52 PM   #160
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Also, been catching up on Re Zero, and it's really neat how episode 4 manages to end on a cliffhanger without letting the audience know what cliff we've begun to hang from. And Subaru is growing on me as a protagonist. And Emilia's mom game is strong. I can't wait for awful things to start happening and staying happened.
So seems like you've finished the supet-light prologue section. As a warning shit is about to get very real. Also expect pretty good cliffhangers just about all the time.

In other Re Zero news apparently even the writers and voice actors needed a break because they made a bunch of comedic shorts that are actually a nice break from the absolute mercilessness of Re Zero proper.
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