Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Geminex]

Fifth has a point. On both counts, obviously, but especially on the second. Especially since Jade no longer has a dream-self to do A-level dumb shit with.

Mind you, John does now. And while he has no Dream-bot, Dream John is the one guy who I'd trust to prototype the enemies with an omnipotent being because he saw it in a movie or something. I don't even know.

Still, I stand by my 'Bec can't be prototyped' theory.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I'm pretty sure she's mortal, if powerful. If you're omnipotent, why not just kill her yourself?
Just makes no sense.

Well, has either he or Bec been shown to be able to kill anyone? Scratch carries a gun, but he hasn't been shown to use it. He's been able to initiate events that hurt people (the cue ball exploding in Vriska's face) and manipulate others into killing (Vriska's murder of Aradia). Bec has never acted as anything other than a loyal protector. Add to that their role as "guardians" may preclude them from being able to directly take life.

On top of that, everyone in the trolls' universe knows that killing Snowman would be the end of all of their lives, as well, so everyone's very careful not to do it. Hell, Spades Slick has the means to accomplish it in an instant, but he would never risk doing it. It may very well be the only people who would be ill-informed enough to kill her would have to be from another universe entirely, which is where the kids' Jack comes in.

And you're right. Jade's 'involvement' may be to prototype Bec. It may be something else. As it is, all we have to go on is the assumption that Jack Noir must have had a reason to have Bec created, which is nicely countered by the fact that, from what we know, it's impossible to prototype Bec.

We don't know that, though. That's an assumption based on very little beyond the fact that Bec is chock full of powers and seemingly immortal. In fact, we don't really even know if Bec is the doomed thing the kernelsprite is to be prototyped with. It takes two items, remember? And I don't recall the harlequin or eldritch princess dolls being doomed.

It's worth noting that a pre-entry prototype is required in order for the player to enter the medium. Being the GOOD DOG, BEST FRIEND that he is, Bec might sacrifice himself to the sprite to get Jade into the medium and save her life.

With all due respect but...
what?
That's just... that's just not correct at all. Hell, it's downright insulting.

You have a hypothesis. You're supporting this hypothesis with evidence.
I am pointing out that your evidence is flawed, because you are making unreasonable assumptions, linking evidence in ways that don't make sense.

You're right, there's evidence yet to be uncovered. But there's no reason to believe that it's more likely to support your theory than refute it, because hey, your theory isn't that well-supported to begin with.

The evidence makes perfect sense if you're able to connect the dots.

Incidentally, when's the next game of Nuklear Wright planned?

Hell if I know, I ain't running another one of these things.

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

I think the major problem with POS's theory is fuck POS, also everybody, everywhere hates POS. Also I hate POS.

RE-FUTED.

<3

EDIT: On a marginally more serious note, do the kids not know at this point that typing changes the shit they gotta fight? Have the trolls not mentioned it? Have they not noticed the jester-hatted, cat-whiskered ogres?

I'm not saying it won't happen, cause Jade does some dumb shit, but that'd be some pretty A-level dumb shit.

I'm sure the other kids know, but Jade's spent the vast majority of time that Dave's been spending fighting imps and shit (who is the only player she could really see at any point aside from dream visions), and the time she's spent while asleep has involved flying around Prospit, kicking the shit out of Not!Clubs Deuce, trying to wake John up, and then having a moon fall on her and dying.

So yeah, she might not really be up to speed.

[Kim]

Jade hasn't really encountered any of these things, so she might not realize it. She also doesn't what everyone prototyped.

[Geminex]

Well, has either he or Bec been shown to be able to kill anyone? Scratch carries a gun, but he hasn't been shown to use it. He's been able to initiate events that hurt people (the cue ball exploding in Vriska's face) and manipulate others into killing (Vriska's murder of Aradia). Bec has never acted as anything other than a loyal protector. Add to that their role as "guardians" may preclude them from being able to directly take life.

Ok, this is valid. But
a) we don't know that they can't hurt people or take lives. Again, you're assuming. Maybe reasonable, but still assuming.
b) he has other loyalists. Quite possibly an individual is among them who could be made to kill Snowman
c) I'm pretty sure that the only reason people know that Snowman's death would end the universe is that he and snowman want them to
d) there's no reason why he couldn't have picked a different individual to tie the end of the universe to if he wanted it to end

No, some of the stuff they prototyped with wasn't doomed. But that was cause, y'know, it was inanimate. Everything else either qualified as a corpse, or, in Alternate Dave's case, was doomed. I don't think Dave could break the routine. The only possiblity would be for Bec to prototype himself (or, for an alternate-timeline Bec to enter their timeline, but that'd be stupid), and I don't see that happening. I mean, he's an omnipotent dog. He's not a complete idiot.

And like I said above, even if Jack does the whole 'become omnipotent through Bec' thing, it doesn't explain why he was necessary to bring about the end of the troll universe.
You're asking me to imagine one hell of a lot of dots.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I mean, he's an omnipotent dog. He's not a complete idiot.

Yes, I'm willing to accept that he's at least smarter than the average dog.

And like I said above, even if Jack does the whole 'become omnipotent through Bec' thing, it doesn't explain why he was necessary to bring about the end of the troll universe.
You're asking me to imagine one hell of a lot of dots.

Of course it doesn't explain why. It explains how. Any answers to "why" that I can give are completely speculative.

[Geminex]

The 'Why' is fairly integral, though. You're proposing that a lot of things could happen, and how they could happen. But unless you can somehow make reasonable suggestion of 'why' they should happen, rather than a completely different turn of events, the theory seems sorta weak.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, or that it's a bad theory. Just that, the way you've set things up, there don't seem to be very many good 'why's. No good way to justify all that happening. And, as such, I don't think it will.

...

Ok, let's just talk about something else. Like... I dunno...
Why did Kanaya's land have a really fucked up second name. Like, why hers of all things?

[Aldurin]

Let's just wait and see what serious shit happens regarding Jade/Bec/Jack/Snowman/Doc Scratch. Whatever it is we are probably in the ballpark of it.

[Art of Hilt]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Why did Kanaya's land have a really fucked up second name. Like, why hers of all things?

Kanaya had THE FORGE, which was the volcano she lived near (buried under the desert sand and popping out like some sort of Mario pipe, which is what I thought it was for the longest time).
Jade also has a volcano, which I assume is also THE FORGE.
I bet their lands are going to share the second name, and Jade's entry will be when we find out.

Also I need to say that this update was the best.
John being DEAD SERIOUS, the Imps looking dejected as they march out the room in a line, just...
The best.

[BitVyper]

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

Lord English wasn't created by the ~ATH program (Edit: Wait, you're talking about the CURSE ~ATH program that Karkat ran? Why would you think that created Lord English?) - he was summoned by it. His powers, and the circumstances of his summoning mean that as long as the universe is eventually going to end, as all things do, he doesn't especially need to do anything to make it happen sooner or later. The fact that he's going to be there eventually means he's there right now.

Aradia tells us that the scratch forced his hand, and that he was enraged. Assuming that Doc Scratch is, as we have been told, his agent, I don't think this is his plan. Furthermore, what little we saw of Aradia and Scratch's chatlog, suggests that Doc Scratch doesn't know why English is there, or at least considers where his boss goes to be his own business.

Bec might get prototyped, but I don't think that's anyone's plan but Bec's, if he does.

[Locke cole]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Jade hasn't really encountered any of these things, so she might not realize it. She also doesn't what everyone prototyped.

Jade at least knows what Dave's prototyped.