Another Big Big Thread of Religious Discussion - Page 17

42PETUNIAS · 06-16-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

In the Bible, homosexuality's really just another sin. Just like any other. Come to think of it, all sins are exactly the same in the Bible and carry an identical amount of damning weight. The point is that you know what you're doing is wrong. You do one thing wrong, you have one lustful thought, you're headed for hell unless you accept that what you did was wrong and are truly sorry.

The real question is, does anyone actually believe this? Can you find me someone who equates brutal murder as exactly equal to masturbation?

Bob The Mercenary · 06-16-2007, 09:14 PM

Sorry, I was really referring to God's viewpoint. No matter what you do, from murder to masturbation, if you admit it's bad and are sorry for it, "the slate is wiped clean" for lack of a better metaphore.

In the same way, masturbation's no more than acting out a lustful thought. You're unclean in any way at all you're supposed to go to hell. Thus, the dying on the cross thing.

Roy_D_Mylote · 06-16-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

all sins are exactly the same in the Bible and carry an identical amount of damning weight.

Except, side point, Blasphemy. That'n's supposed to be unforgivable.

Bob The Mercenary · 06-16-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Except, side point, Blasphemy. That'n's supposed to be unforgivable.

There are no unforgiveable sins.

Roy_D_Mylote · 06-16-2007, 11:01 PM

Except blasphemy

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Originally Posted by Luke 12:10

Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven

and

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Originally Posted by Mark 3:29

but whoever may blaspheme against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

P-Sleazy · 06-16-2007, 11:02 PM

Its just that some sins are more serious than others and hold the title of Mortal Sins (or something of that nature) where you must TRUELY feel sorry for them and some sort of repenance (Probably would be good, not sure if its required or not) if you want a chance to get out of going to hell. Of course this doesn't mean automatic to heaven. You'll have to make up for it in Purgatory.

Murder would fall under a Mortal Sin and you'd ABSOLUTELY need to feel sorry for it and realize it was bad and probably going to confession helps.

Masterbation is one of those sins where if you didn't TRUELY feel sorry for, you can still get to heaven through purgatory. Confession also helps.

I'm probably not the best person to explain it, but thats a rudimentary explanation about it, and I'm only using the two examples given. I'd prefer to replace Masterbation with something like saying something hateful to someone.

Azisien · 06-16-2007, 11:29 PM

They couldn't have designed our arms to be such a perfect length and expect us to not masturbate. Only a cruel, villainous being would do such a thing.

Bob The Mercenary · 06-16-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Except blasphemy

and

The Son of Man and the Holy Spirit are part of the trinity, thus they are the same person. The way they use the term Holy Spirit in these passages is the thing which helps you stay in the faith or begin your trip into faith. If you reject the holy spirit (blaspheme) then you reject the faith. And if you don't believe then yeah, it's a mortal sin.

And B_real, no sins warrant more forgiveness than others. You lie, that means you're not perfect, that means you should go to hell. You murder someone, you're not perfect, going to hell...etc.... And there's no difference between really sorry and really really sorry. If you know it's wrong, and you ask for forgiveness, you'll get it.

That's also why the Bible is seperated into Law and Gospel. Law to show you that you're not perfect. Gospel to show you how to correct that.

Roy_D_Mylote · 06-16-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

And B_real, no sins warrant more forgiveness than others. You lie, that means you're not perfect, that means you should go to hell. You murder someone, you're not perfect, going to hell...etc.... And there's no difference between really sorry and really really sorry. If you know it's wrong, and you ask for forgiveness, you'll get it.

That's a denomination thing. He's Catholic, B_Real is, and they have those mortal sins and whatnot.

ZAKtheGeek · 06-17-2007, 12:17 AM

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The way they use the term Holy Spirit in these passages is the thing which helps you stay in the faith or begin your trip into faith. If you reject the holy spirit (blaspheme) then you reject the faith. And if you don't believe then yeah, it's a mortal sin.

But doesn't that mean that ever having disbelief is irreversibly damning?

06-16-2007, 09:14 PM	#162
Bob The Mercenary Bob Dole Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bob Dole Posts: 5,606	Sorry, I was really referring to God's viewpoint. No matter what you do, from murder to masturbation, if you admit it's bad and are sorry for it, "the slate is wiped clean" for lack of a better metaphore. In the same way, masturbation's no more than acting out a lustful thought. You're unclean in any way at all you're supposed to go to hell. Thus, the dying on the cross thing. __________________ Bob Dole

06-16-2007, 11:02 PM	#166
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	Its just that some sins are more serious than others and hold the title of Mortal Sins (or something of that nature) where you must TRUELY feel sorry for them and some sort of repenance (Probably would be good, not sure if its required or not) if you want a chance to get out of going to hell. Of course this doesn't mean automatic to heaven. You'll have to make up for it in Purgatory. Murder would fall under a Mortal Sin and you'd ABSOLUTELY need to feel sorry for it and realize it was bad and probably going to confession helps. Masterbation is one of those sins where if you didn't TRUELY feel sorry for, you can still get to heaven through purgatory. Confession also helps. I'm probably not the best person to explain it, but thats a rudimentary explanation about it, and I'm only using the two examples given. I'd prefer to replace Masterbation with something like saying something hateful to someone. __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

06-16-2007, 11:29 PM	#167
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	They couldn't have designed our arms to be such a perfect length and expect us to not masturbate. Only a cruel, villainous being would do such a thing.