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[Zilla]

Bit, have you EVER killed StarWolf with bombs? Even in multiplayer, do those bombs always hit?

Spike is going to dodge the bombs, no problem, especially in a racing ship as maneuverable as his. The best Fox can do with the bombs is ambush him, and if his computer is on, he'll probably know about the bomb in time enough to dodge it.

The "smart" bombs move way too slowly to catch Spike, and Fox isn't going to get close enough to even think about deploying it. The dumbfire bombs are too easy to avoid. Give him as many bombs as you want, and he would still have to get lucky.

Kratos vs Gurren Lagann totally depends on the situation. Simon needs proper motivation to fight. You said Kamina was also piloting? That right there makes Simon far less powerful, as he isn't anywhere near as motivated before Kamina dies.

If Kratos goes into one of those *press A to not die* things, Gurren Lagann is toast. Kratos' power increases with the size of his opponent.

All in all, I'd say the chance goes to Kratos, Gurren Lagann wins under special conditions. The longer the fight goes on though, the better the chance gets for Gurren Lagann.

Edit: On Arwing shields, they do not regenerate, and Swordfish has that laser pulse cannon that would probably disable them VERY quickly.

[BitVyper]

Bit, have you EVER killed StarWolf with bombs? Even in multiplayer, do those bombs always hit?

Again; Arwings have shields. Spike's vessel is no more durable than the random enemies that show up in Star Fox levels, possibly even less so, since they probably have shields as well. There are a couple bosses around that can be taken out with a single bomb if it's used at the right time. They're plenty damaging.

Also the bombs damage a much smaller area in multiplayer. In single player, anything on the screen is hit. I could sit down and try to figure out the exact explosion radius based on that, but the point is that it's big enough that if Spike is in range to shoot at Fox, Fox just has to use a bomb, and Spike is already too close to escape.

Edit: As for people saying that the Arwing isn't a maneuverable craft, please find a plane that can safely fly two inches off the ground through a cityscape at (at the very bare minimum) high enough speeds to stay airborne in an atmosphere. It may not be quite as nimble as Macross-style missile dodging, but it's still five hundred times more maneuverable than anything that actually exists. It has strong enough shielding to survive flying into a black hole too.

[Zilla]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

As for people saying that the Arwing isn't a maneuverable craft, please find a plane that can safely fly two inches off the ground through a cityscape at (at the very bare minimum) high enough speeds to stay airborne in an atmosphere.

Note, nobody is saying the Arwing isn't maneuverable, it's all in comparison to the Swordfish, which is far more so.
You have no experience with the Swordfish, do you?

(tried to find the one where he's chasing Jet's former girlfriend through an aquaduct, but I failed to find it).

Here's your precious bombs. They are NOT going to hit Spike.

Edit: After watching a ton of StarFox 64 videos, the bombs are horrible for actual dogfights, nearly useless against StarWolf. They're good for stationary targets and formations and flight patterns. Bombs also aren't very powerful, the equivalent of about 4 hyper lasers. While direct contact with a bomb would rip the Swordfish up, it'd probably still be functional if the hit wasn't direct.

There's also that Spike is amazing at dodging guided missles, and the smart-bombs are even slower than the dumbfire. I reiterate, Spike is not going to get hit.

(bear with the horrible voice acting) Bombs in Assault, also nowhere near good enough to hit Spike

[Ryong]

On Kratos vs Gurren Lagann: Even if Kratos is huge, I doubt he could defend okay from drills and drill missiles from everywhere. Kratos has two weapons, Gurren Lagann has as many as Simon and Kamina want.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Ryong

On Kratos vs Gurren Lagann: Even if Kratos is huge, I doubt he could defend okay from drills and drill missiles from everywhere. Kratos has two weapons, Gurren Lagann has as many as Simon and Kamina want.

Yeah but Kratos' meager "two" (he actually does have others he can use) are extremely good. And it's not how many weapons one has anyway, it's how good they are and how they're used. Okay so Legann might be able to fire off countless projectiles, but Kratos can fight off dozens of respawing waves of his own clones, each using different weapons, while protecting others from harm, with just those 2 weapons. It's not like he can't multi-task.

And Kratos does have other weapons besides the Blades of Chaos; at the end of the last game he still has the Barbarian Hammer, the Spear of Destiny and the Blade of Olympus, not to mention his various magics including chain lightning mines, a magic bow with infinite wind based ammo, the ability to shake apart the ground and a gorgon head which can turn stuff to stone. And a time slowing bracelet. And this is assuming he doesn't get access to all of his previous weapons and abilities, which included AoE lightning, summoning ghost armies, the ability to set things on fire with his mind, throwing thunderbolts, summoning fire beasts, and a giant magical glove that was powerful enough to restrain the Titans themselves.

Oh and he also still has the Golden Fleece, which can defend against (and reflect back at the user) any and all projectile attacks, including magic beams. The great thing about this item is that you can deflect shit back even as he's deflecting other shit back, so you can theoreticaly never get hit by projectiles.

And this is before we find out what new stuff he gets in the next game. Yeah, Kratos has plenty to attack back with.

Oh and did I mention his near god like strength? Or the fact that he can topple magically animated metal statues that are thousands of times his size after they smash through castle walls and step on him? Cos I think that should be pointed out as well.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

On the matter of Arwing vs Swordfish, I'm going with the Arwing no matter where you put its agility. Shields plus nova bombs. No way Spike is taking down something that can fly directly through a skyscraper with minimal damage before Fox can drop a bomb, and at that point, I don't really care how good of a pilot he is, unless he is secretly Wally West, he isn't outrunning the explosion from that.

Edit: I'm not entirely certain why I've been calling them nova bombs.... I think that's Andromeda's sun killers. Whatever.

Spike's piloting puts Wally West to shame (Seriously I don't think Flash could dodge the shit Spike has dodged). But as long as we're clear on "No matter what you say I say Arwing wins so there," then there's no point p. much.

Originally Posted by Hawk

Yeah but Kratos' meager "two" (he actually does have others he can use) are extremely good. And it's not how many weapons one has anyway, it's how good they are and how they're used. Okay so Legann might be able to fire off countless projectiles, but Kratos can fight off dozens of respawing waves of his own clones, each using different weapons, while protecting others from harm, with just those 2 weapons. It's not like he can't multi-task.

And Kratos does have other weapons besides the Blades of Chaos; at the end of the last game he still has the Barbarian Hammer, the Spear of Destiny and the Blade of Olympus, not to mention his various magics including chain lightning mines, a magic bow with infinite wind based ammo, the ability to shake apart the ground and a gorgon head which can turn stuff to stone. And a time slowing bracelet. And this is assuming he doesn't get access to all of his previous weapons and abilities, which included AoE lightning, summoning ghost armies, the ability to set things on fire with his mind, throwing thunderbolts, summoning fire beasts, and a giant magical glove that was powerful enough to restrain the Titans themselves.

Oh and he also still has the Golden Fleece, which can defend against (and reflect back at the user) any and all projectile attacks, including magic beams. The great thing about this item is that you can deflect shit back even as he's deflecting other shit back, so you can theoreticaly never get hit by projectiles.

And this is before we find out what new stuff he gets in the next game. Yeah, Kratos has plenty to attack back with.

Oh and did I mention his near god like strength? Or the fact that he can topple magically animated metal statues that are thousands of times his size after they smash through castle walls and step on him? Cos I think that should be pointed out as well.

That's all pretty cool there. Did we mention that as soon as any and/or all of these things fuck up Gurren Lagann that that won't ever fuck up Gurren Lagann and Gurren Lagann will then go craaaaazy burning spirit and own whatever's in its way? Cuz that's the jist of it.

I mean that's pretty much what we should name its ability -- "Winning"

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Again; Arwings have shields. Spike's vessel is no more durable than the random enemies that show up in Star Fox levels, possibly even less so, since they probably have shields as well. There are a couple bosses around that can be taken out with a single bomb if it's used at the right time. They're plenty damaging.

Also the bombs damage a much smaller area in multiplayer. In single player, anything on the screen is hit. I could sit down and try to figure out the exact explosion radius based on that, but the point is that it's big enough that if Spike is in range to shoot at Fox, Fox just has to use a bomb, and Spike is already too close to escape.

Edit: As for people saying that the Arwing isn't a maneuverable craft, please find a plane that can safely fly two inches off the ground through a cityscape at (at the very bare minimum) high enough speeds to stay airborne in an atmosphere. It may not be quite as nimble as Macross-style missile dodging, but it's still five hundred times more maneuverable than anything that actually exists. It has strong enough shielding to survive flying into a black hole too.

Ah yes, starfox Astrophysics -- where a ship can handle flying into a black hole but the surface of a star melts the fuck out of the poor thing and a couple lasers kills it outright.

[Lord Setheris]

With the release of the Conflux set for Magic: The Gathering, I think I can say, without any doubt, that Nicol Bolas is the most powerful and unstoppable creature in history.

[Nikose Tyris]

This Knight-Errant begs to differ.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Mesden

That's all pretty cool there. Did we mention that as soon as any and/or all of these things fuck up Gurren Lagann that that won't ever fuck up Gurren Lagann and Gurren Lagann will then go craaaaazy burning spirit and own whatever's in its way? Cuz that's the jist of it.

I mean that's pretty much what we should name its ability -- "Winning"

Didn't we agree awhile ago that the only thing that had any chance against Gurren Lagan was the Megas XLR--purely because they both have basically the same power of Deus Ex?

[Mesden]

We agreed they are both so made of win that instead of winning against each other they'd win so much the universe would just accept that both won.