I really hate being called racist - Page 2

Funka Genocide · 02-11-2006, 03:35 AM

thats the thing though, why even think about these matters in black or white?

there is no difference, and its not "our" "your" or "their" fault that anyone is anywhere. Anyone involved in the act of kidnapping people and transporting them over seas to be sold as property is dead now, as are any of the people who were victimized. Whatever social stigma was attached to those people is irrelevant now.

The only reason racism still exists is because it is allowed to, even as idle thought on the inherent "differences" between people with genetic variations from our own. The point is, there is no inherent difference. we are all the same. There is a variety of appearance, but on an intellectual level (the only one that matters in an ideal society) there is no variation in potential.

So just put it like it is, those guys are assholes. Assholes shouldn't be tolerated.

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Originally Posted by sk3L3t0n

We can't help that we screwed up.

Who is this "we" you speak of? "We" didn't do a damned thing. Maybe somebodies ancestors did, but if "we" are to pay the price for every ancestral transgression ever committed, wouldn't we all be immediately sentenced to death upon our births?

That's still thinking in an us vs. them perspective. "We" is everyone!

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On another note, not that this is very on-topic, but is it just me or is it stupid to anyone else that white people would be racist to black people? It's kind of our fault they are here...

I'm pretty sure that its obvious to everyone that racism is stupid, for any reason.

Azisien · 02-11-2006, 07:30 AM

I can throw my support behind both Wizard and Funka's last post, though I do have to disagree on inherent differences. There is not a lot of evidence for it, but enough for someone who wants to be racist to claim there is. And that's just the problem, regardless of genetics, if someone wants to be racist, they'll be racist. Another very important point for me is that even if there were inherent differences in, say, reasoning between races, what that means is reasoning isn't a proper bar to set moral considerability at. This is a fairly common against racism, among other things, because the bar is set at some arbitrary level for the purposes of discrimination.

If I have to be outraged at anything, it's the "whites can't be racist, but anybody else can because whites are bad" thing. Sadly, this is what I've observed personally, and this discussion serves to back up what I've experienced myself. Now, I suppose if you trace back my white-ass family tree for long enough, I'm sure a Roman soldier may have discriminated some people, but I fail to see how this gives non-whites an all-access pass to branding me innately as a neo-nazi bastard that would throw them all in a concentration camp if I was given the chance.

Well, that's stereotyping I guess. I don't base my actions on what happened hundreds of years ago now, not to be confused with learning from past mistakes, I just don't see a trip to Africa and subsequent return with a band of slaves overly likely at the moment.

Personally, I would have gone to the administration over what happened to you. I'm somewhat surprised, for someone who won a morality award, you haven't already reported a moral injustice. Sure, they might make your reporting harder by lying, but how is that worse than choosing to do nothing and taking it? How does that serve to root out the problem?

judaspriestfan · 02-11-2006, 10:28 AM

Yeah, i think that these people are assholes but i would have just ignored them. i mean if they want to try to play the racist thing, that's theyre problem, but you shouldnt worry about it. and yes racism is only here because we allow it, i agree on that.

Lockeownzj00 · 02-11-2006, 01:43 PM

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Id have reported them to somebody, considering they were students at your school.

Just about the worst thing you can do. Trying to 'make official' your complaint will only exacerbate the problem. You need to truly convince them, if you want them to change or learn anything at all.

The Wizard Who Did It · 02-11-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockeownzj00

Just about the worst thing you can do. Trying to 'make official' your complaint will only exacerbate the problem. You need to truly convince them, if you want them to change or learn anything at all.

But that won't solve the problem. The problem is racism, which comes from tribalism, which is in our genes. We're getting better. More people are starting to get more tolerant, but the only way racism is going to go away is by either completely changing around our culture or slowly making things better. Poeple don't want to do things quickly, so slow is the way to go.

Also, I agree with what I think Azisien said, and I also want to include that I find it odd that other cultures get a free reign to be racist to us, and not us to them.

And now, some rude comments to our sponser...

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And I got you thinking about it, that's something.

I've been thinking about it for a long time, so stop acting arrogant, like you caused me to have some kind of revelation.

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AND if/when I do try to do something, its nice to have your thoughts an opinions (i.e. things I did think of and such)

Apparently not all of it, because you did seem to make this thread even though it was unnecesary. Still, at least you didn't prove yourself to be as ignorant as your first post gave away, so that's a definate plus.

Lockeownzj00 · 02-11-2006, 02:03 PM

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But that won't solve the problem. The problem is racism, which comes from tribalism, which is in our genes. We're getting better. More people are starting to get more tolerant, but the only way racism is going to go away is by either completely changing around our culture or slowly making things better. Poeple don't want to do things quickly, so slow is the way to go.

The only way to remove racism is education. What you're saying is what I'm saying--we need to teach people to be more tolerant.

'Alerting an administrator' won't actually solve anything but satisfy a petty revenge impulse and cause bad blood.

gundevako · 02-11-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockeownzj00

'Alerting an administrator' won't actually solve anything but satisfy a petty revenge impulse and cause bad blood.

This is true.

I would suggest that you talk to them personally, just go up and say, 'hey I think there was a mistunderstanding'. If they still get on your case then just ignore it, in the end you were the bigger person who wanted was willing to talk about it. Neither side should assume and the only real solution to the problem at hand is dialogue.

In regards to all the other comments about racism and double standards; I don't know how to react. I always thought that the one problem with racist double standards is that it only seemed to apply to black and white people. I think it is just as racist for a white person to call a black person the n word as it is for a black person to call an asian person a 'slant' or 'chink'.
Just be careful and don't put salt on the wound.

Mirai Gen · 02-11-2006, 02:53 PM

People who are dicks aren't any more free to use racist comments than you are, under any circumstances, ever. It sounds to me either he was playing the "You Hate Me, You're White, I'm Black, You're Racist" card, or he felt like fucking with a slave-beating whiteboy. Either he's racist or a jackass, and either way, you don't need do do anything about him. He's going to continue being that way. All you can do is make sure your kids don't end out that way too.

I don't see how, under any circumstances, it should be 'okay,' for someone to do that. But also realize that the aforementioned 'petty revenge' scenario with reporting to an admin doesn't help the situation; bad blood leads to bad blood.

Azisien · 02-11-2006, 03:29 PM

I guess that makes sense. Because, when someone walks up to you in the street and punches you in the face, alerting the police would only serve to satisfy a petty revenge impulse and cause bad blood...Riiiiight...

***RaiRai*** · 02-11-2006, 03:56 PM

Just adding an old story in here because I think it holds relevance. My dad, who is white, punched a black man who was breaking into his van. The police did little to help the situation when the man said he was punched because 'he was black'. Not because he was illegally breaking into a van that wasn't his and stealing tools that weren't his.

I had a similar situation at work with a woman stealing toothbrushes. It wasn't the fact that she had toothbrushes stashed in her bag. It was the fact a white girl (me) approached her and asked her to give back the goods when she pulled the 'it's because I'm black' card.

I realise, also, this works every which way possible. But these are two stories which have happened in my life that I feel relevant.

02-11-2006, 02:53 PM	#18
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	People who are dicks aren't any more free to use racist comments than you are, under any circumstances, ever. It sounds to me either he was playing the "You Hate Me, You're White, I'm Black, You're Racist" card, or he felt like fucking with a slave-beating whiteboy. Either he's racist or a jackass, and either way, you don't need do do anything about him. He's going to continue being that way. All you can do is make sure your kids don't end out that way too. I don't see how, under any circumstances, it should be 'okay,' for someone to do that. But also realize that the aforementioned 'petty revenge' scenario with reporting to an admin doesn't help the situation; bad blood leads to bad blood. __________________

02-11-2006, 03:56 PM	#20
*RaiRai* Check mate. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Down your pants. Posts: 2,210	Just adding an old story in here because I think it holds relevance. My dad, who is white, punched a black man who was breaking into his van. The police did little to help the situation when the man said he was punched because 'he was black'. Not because he was illegally breaking into a van that wasn't his and stealing tools that weren't his. I had a similar situation at work with a woman stealing toothbrushes. It wasn't the fact that she had toothbrushes stashed in her bag. It was the fact a white girl (me) approached her and asked her to give back the goods when she pulled the 'it's because I'm black' card. I realise, also, this works every which way possible. But these are two stories which have happened in my life that I feel relevant. __________________ I AM FURIOUS

02-11-2006, 07:30 AM	#12
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	I can throw my support behind both Wizard and Funka's last post, though I do have to disagree on inherent differences. There is not a lot of evidence for it, but enough for someone who wants to be racist to claim there is. And that's just the problem, regardless of genetics, if someone wants to be racist, they'll be racist. Another very important point for me is that even if there were inherent differences in, say, reasoning between races, what that means is reasoning isn't a proper bar to set moral considerability at. This is a fairly common against racism, among other things, because the bar is set at some arbitrary level for the purposes of discrimination. If I have to be outraged at anything, it's the "whites can't be racist, but anybody else can because whites are bad" thing. Sadly, this is what I've observed personally, and this discussion serves to back up what I've experienced myself. Now, I suppose if you trace back my white-ass family tree for long enough, I'm sure a Roman soldier may have discriminated some people, but I fail to see how this gives non-whites an all-access pass to branding me innately as a neo-nazi bastard that would throw them all in a concentration camp if I was given the chance. Well, that's stereotyping I guess. I don't base my actions on what happened hundreds of years ago now, not to be confused with learning from past mistakes, I just don't see a trip to Africa and subsequent return with a band of slaves overly likely at the moment. Personally, I would have gone to the administration over what happened to you. I'm somewhat surprised, for someone who won a morality award, you haven't already reported a moral injustice. Sure, they might make your reporting harder by lying, but how is that worse than choosing to do nothing and taking it? How does that serve to root out the problem?

02-11-2006, 03:29 PM	#19
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	I guess that makes sense. Because, when someone walks up to you in the street and punches you in the face, alerting the police would only serve to satisfy a petty revenge impulse and cause bad blood...Riiiiight...