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The Wandering God · 05-25-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyamoto on the PS3 price

"I knew...it was going to be expensive. Even then, it was a bit of a shock. But I think it's clear that they don't want to lose a lot of money per unit."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyamoto on PS3 controller

"That always seems to happen and we kind of expected it," he said. "We've gotten used to others copying what we do--and we're having a lot of fun with it."

Good article, and kind of interesting hints dropped in there as well.

Oh, and here's some pricing information on the Wii.

To me, this seems to indicate a price of $200. Why? Why would they say less than $250 if it was going to be 249? Makes no sense, if that was the case, they would have said less than $300. At least it's something.

Oh, and for those of you considering a 360, I'd say wait. I tried to find the link, but couldn't. Anyway, Microsoft is going to be using another chip from the current one that requires a loud fan. They said they will release this one in 2007 though, so it will be a while before they arrive.

The Wandering God

Bells · 05-25-2006, 04:47 PM

This belongs here so much...

Also, Editing to add info without double post!

PROCESSOR

XBOX 360
3.2 GHz IBM PowerPC tri-core codenamed "Xenon"
115 GFLOPS
9.6 billion dot products per second

Wii
"Broadway" (IBM)

PS3
Cell (POWER-based PPE with seven 3.2 GHz SPEs)
218 GFLOPS
18 billion dot products per second

Memory

XBOX 360
512 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz shared between CPU & GPU
10 MB Embedded eDRAM

Wii
1T-SRAM by MoSys
512 MB of flash memory

PS3
256 MB XDR @ 3.2 GHz
256 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz

GPU

XBOX 360
500 MHz codenamed "Xenos" (ATI custom design)
1 TFLOPS (system theoretical)
96 billion shader operations per second
24 billion dot products per second
Unified Shaders, SM3.0+
10 MB eDRAM (internal bandwidth of 256GB/s)

Wii
Hollywood (ATI)

PS3
550 MHz RSX (based on NVIDIA G70 architecture)
1.8 TFLOPS (theoretical)
74.8 billion shader operations per second (100 billion with CPU)
28.6 billion dot products per second
Distinct Pixel & Vertex Shaders, SM3.0

NEtwork

XBOX 360
100BASE-TX (100 Mbit/s) Ethernet
Optional 802.11a/b/g Wi-Fi

Wii
Optional Ethernet via USB 2.0 Adapter
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g

PS3
1000BASE-T Ethernet
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g (60 GB model built-in, 20 GB model via optional adapter)

Video Output

XBOX 360
VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite, RF,SCART

Wii
Component, S-Video, Composite

PS3
Component, S-Video, Composite,PSP
HDMI (60 GB model only)

Storage

XBOX 360
SATA 20 GB hard drive Removivel (13 GB Free) (Premium model only)

Wii
512MB built-in flash memory

PS3
Upgradable 2.5" SATA 20 GB or 60 GB hard drive

Operational System

XBOX 360
Xbox 360 Dashboard

Wii
Unknow

PS3
Cross Media Bar
Linux

Homebrew possibilities

XBOX 360
No

Wii
No info

PS3
Yes

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope · 05-25-2006, 08:35 PM

BS Minion, that Picture is awesome.

ElfLad · 05-25-2006, 10:19 PM

Oh, I'm definitely getting the Wii first. Opening day, if possible. One, the price is AWESOME, especially considering that it's less than half, and possibly a third of the PS3's price. Two, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, SSB:B and a plethora of other games that have grabbed my interest. Three, virtual console. I'm aware of ROMs and have used them for unfindable games, but my hands cannot adapt to a keyboard for games that were originally programmed for a controller. Chrono Trigger, SMRPG, and Earthbound, I'm coming for you.

Xbox360 is a maybe, but my friend, and possible roommate in college, is getting one, so if we do turn out to be roommates, I won't need to get one for myself.

PS3... I want to say no, but third parties are cruel mistresses. Nonetheless, I will not be getting this for a while under any circumstances.

Dammit, Third parties, why can't you program for the consoles I like?

Magus · 05-25-2006, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

"Check out our new and improved loading times! Yeehaw!"

HAHAHA, yeah, that was one thing the GC and XBOX didn't really have, loading times. And yet my PS2 library is largest. Ah, the third-parties...

So, MGS4. The only reason thus far to get a PS3, unless there are still fans of Final Fantasy there and about, I mean, I still like it and have high hopes for FFXII, but FFXIII looks a tad too much like FFX-2 thus far. I know, I know, there's only been screenshots, but they DO NOT LIE, do they? It's a sassy heroine with pistols tearing up a VERY futuristic looking place. It portents of things that make me shudder.

Thus far MGS4 DOES look like a reason to get the PS3, WHEN IT IS CHEAPER, to me. BUT again, third-parties support it highest...

BUT Kojima says he wants to make games for the Wii, too. BUT he has also says he'd rather they were original and not MGS spin-offs or ports.

So it's up in the air there, except the terrible price, I haven't yet heard someone say it was a good price in any way and I go to enough forums to gather the info on it. Some will go as far as to say it is good as far as the value of the BlueRay technology, but then say they don't care about HD enough to pay for it, so yeah, no one likes the price.

And no, no one talks about the XBOX 360 anymore, unless they're fanboys annoyed that they're making games that aren't Halo 3. The general consensus by XBOX fanboys is that Bungie shouldn't have anything original on the plate (their RTS game) and should just stick to making Halo sequels. Me, I'm no uber-Halo fan, but there are a lot of games I'd like for XBOX but I never got one, mainly the Oddworld games, which I assume are going to be on the XBOX 360, along with other unique games...

Bells · 05-25-2006, 10:54 PM

i still say that i would find weird if sony didnt expanded its scope on the midia they use...

Since the PSX they do this... with the Cd that was also for reaing audio cd's, then with the DVD who also played movies... then for the bluray...

What benefits from bigger an better midia are the games and gamers first

Magus · 05-25-2006, 11:20 PM

Yes, but most people use their PC for stuff that the PS3 is advertising, and it's only advertising the five most popular things to do with a PC, none of the million other things you can do with it, and think they can charge the same price as a decent new PC. What some people, console gamers, don't do with their PC is play games. So I think Sony is a bit off the mark on this. It's NICE to have all of those extras, but when they replace the main reason for the machine and affect the price, it's time to cut back a bit.

NorthDragoon · 05-26-2006, 10:42 AM

Well, as for PS3's somewhat silly price...

I believe Sony may be trying to "covar thar arses, yar" with the price. They are pretty much relying on PS3 for their Blu-Ray disc's success, and they want to make sure they get the "muchos grandes deneros" to make up for R&D (that's Research and Development for us less edumacated types) of both the PS3 and Blu-ray technology.

Personally I think Sony's going to take a serious hit, what with 360 and HDDVD already out, not to mention Wii's much lower price...

I heard from the rumor plantations (I don't care what you say, I refuse to believe in "rumor mills") that the PS3 is rather difficult to program for, so this make me think that some of the third party developers will get smrt and go to other consoles that are both easier to program for and cheaper to develop content for. This might be shown to a slight degree with some of the big names, Square-Enix seems to be working on another Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles game for Wii (the gods see to it to make the multiplayer playable, say with online with that new fangled Wi-Fi I heard about) a Dragon Warrior title (Wii, supposedly) and a surprisingly shiny remake of FF3 for DS.

And Xbox 360, though I shake my fist at Microsoft continuously, may have some titles worth renting. Bioware's work interests me most. Maybe if the 360 somehow magically appears for less than 200 dollars (Canadian, which means it will never happen) I'm going to stick to what I have and what I can acquire for much less.

Main reason I like Wii so much is the rumors of its price and the great technology behind it. Not to mention of course the people who actually create the thing *COUGH*Miyamoto-san*COUGH*. I mean, if half the rumors about this system are true, its a solid machine. If they were somehow all true, well then we'd all be living in some sort of magical fairy land where whatever gods you worship acknowledge your existence on a daily basis. Yes, its name is odd, but still: gaming genius is the Wii. Hopefully the accompanied software from third parties will actually be decent, hopefully Nintendo won't get screwed again. Honestly that's the thing thats hurt Nintendo, the only thing that's hurt them. Stupid cash-grabbers...

Anyways me like Wii, PS3 looks cold and uninviting, and Xbox, as usual, reminds me of radioactive isotopes... as you might guess, that's not a good thing.

[Edit]: Egads, my spelling is bad. Look I fixed so peoples can read it now. Go me.

Fifthfiend · 05-27-2006, 02:38 AM

You know what I think's going to be fun about the Wii, is multiplayer vs games.

And by 'fun' I mean 'invariably ending in fistfights'.

And just to be clear, yes, I do consider the two to be valid synonyms.

... Still hate the name Wii though.

spazzhands · 05-27-2006, 05:11 AM

thats what brings gamers and non-gamers alike together in complete harmony... they all hate the name!

05-25-2006, 04:47 PM	#12
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	This belongs here so much... Also, Editing to add info without double post! PROCESSOR XBOX 360 3.2 GHz IBM PowerPC tri-core codenamed "Xenon" 115 GFLOPS 9.6 billion dot products per second Wii "Broadway" (IBM) PS3 Cell (POWER-based PPE with seven 3.2 GHz SPEs) 218 GFLOPS 18 billion dot products per second Memory XBOX 360 512 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz shared between CPU & GPU 10 MB Embedded eDRAM Wii 1T-SRAM by MoSys 512 MB of flash memory PS3 256 MB XDR @ 3.2 GHz 256 MB GDDR3 @ 700 MHz GPU XBOX 360 500 MHz codenamed "Xenos" (ATI custom design) 1 TFLOPS (system theoretical) 96 billion shader operations per second 24 billion dot products per second Unified Shaders, SM3.0+ 10 MB eDRAM (internal bandwidth of 256GB/s) Wii Hollywood (ATI) PS3 550 MHz RSX (based on NVIDIA G70 architecture) 1.8 TFLOPS (theoretical) 74.8 billion shader operations per second (100 billion with CPU) 28.6 billion dot products per second Distinct Pixel & Vertex Shaders, SM3.0 NEtwork XBOX 360 100BASE-TX (100 Mbit/s) Ethernet Optional 802.11a/b/g Wi-Fi Wii Optional Ethernet via USB 2.0 Adapter Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g PS3 1000BASE-T Ethernet Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g (60 GB model built-in, 20 GB model via optional adapter) Video Output XBOX 360 VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite, RF,SCART Wii Component, S-Video, Composite PS3 Component, S-Video, Composite,PSP HDMI (60 GB model only) Storage XBOX 360 SATA 20 GB hard drive Removivel (13 GB Free) (Premium model only) Wii 512MB built-in flash memory PS3 Upgradable 2.5" SATA 20 GB or 60 GB hard drive Operational System XBOX 360 Xbox 360 Dashboard Wii Unknow PS3 Cross Media Bar Linux Homebrew possibilities XBOX 360 No Wii No info PS3 Yes __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!** Last edited by Bells; 05-25-2006 at 06:50 PM.

05-25-2006, 08:35 PM	#13
Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope Definitely NOT a samurai Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Location: Wherever the wind leads me Posts: 5,347	BS Minion, that Picture is awesome. __________________ Lost in the Music ~ On Hiatus Tales of a Torn World ~ World Building

05-25-2006, 10:19 PM	#14
ElfLad She's buying the Stairway to Heaven Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 581	Oh, I'm definitely getting the Wii first. Opening day, if possible. One, the price is AWESOME, especially considering that it's less than half, and possibly a third of the PS3's price. Two, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, SSB:B and a plethora of other games that have grabbed my interest. Three, virtual console. I'm aware of ROMs and have used them for unfindable games, but my hands cannot adapt to a keyboard for games that were originally programmed for a controller. Chrono Trigger, SMRPG, and Earthbound, I'm coming for you. Xbox360 is a maybe, but my friend, and possible roommate in college, is getting one, so if we do turn out to be roommates, I won't need to get one for myself. PS3... I want to say no, but third parties are cruel mistresses. Nonetheless, I will not be getting this for a while under any circumstances. Dammit, Third parties, why can't you program for the consoles I like? __________________ Legendary: A webcomic about RPGs.

05-25-2006, 10:54 PM	#16
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	i still say that i would find weird if sony didnt expanded its scope on the midia they use... Since the PSX they do this... with the Cd that was also for reaing audio cd's, then with the DVD who also played movies... then for the bluray... What benefits from bigger an better midia are the games and gamers first __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

05-26-2006, 10:42 AM	#18
NorthDragoon Lv20 Dragoon/Power-napper Gestalt Join Date: May 2006 Location: That place up north where everyone lives in igloos... you know, Toronto? Posts: 16	Well, as for PS3's somewhat silly price... I believe Sony may be trying to "covar thar arses, yar" with the price. They are pretty much relying on PS3 for their Blu-Ray disc's success, and they want to make sure they get the "muchos grandes deneros" to make up for R&D (that's Research and Development for us less edumacated types) of both the PS3 and Blu-ray technology. Personally I think Sony's going to take a serious hit, what with 360 and HDDVD already out, not to mention Wii's much lower price... I heard from the rumor plantations (I don't care what you say, I refuse to believe in "rumor mills") that the PS3 is rather difficult to program for, so this make me think that some of the third party developers will get smrt and go to other consoles that are both easier to program for and cheaper to develop content for. This might be shown to a slight degree with some of the big names, Square-Enix seems to be working on another Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles game for Wii (the gods see to it to make the multiplayer playable, say with online with that new fangled Wi-Fi I heard about) a Dragon Warrior title (Wii, supposedly) and a surprisingly shiny remake of FF3 for DS. And Xbox 360, though I shake my fist at Microsoft continuously, may have some titles worth renting. Bioware's work interests me most. Maybe if the 360 somehow magically appears for less than 200 dollars (Canadian, which means it will never happen) I'm going to stick to what I have and what I can acquire for much less. Main reason I like Wii so much is the rumors of its price and the great technology behind it. Not to mention of course the people who actually create the thing COUGHMiyamoto-sanCOUGH. I mean, if half the rumors about this system are true, its a solid machine. If they were somehow all true, well then we'd all be living in some sort of magical fairy land where whatever gods you worship acknowledge your existence on a daily basis. Yes, its name is odd, but still: gaming genius is the Wii. Hopefully the accompanied software from third parties will actually be decent, hopefully Nintendo won't get screwed again. Honestly that's the thing thats hurt Nintendo, the only thing that's hurt them. Stupid cash-grabbers... Anyways me like Wii, PS3 looks cold and uninviting, and Xbox, as usual, reminds me of radioactive isotopes... as you might guess, that's not a good thing. [Edit]: Egads, my spelling is bad. Look I fixed so peoples can read it now. Go me. __________________ "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." -Murphy's 25th law of Systems Development "The term 'meatshield' takes on a whole new meaning for your enemies when they have to stumble up a hill of their comrades corpses just to get a clear shot at you..." -me watching in awe as my Tau forces increase the Eldar body count on the only entrance to my base. Last edited by NorthDragoon; 05-26-2006 at 10:45 AM.

05-25-2006, 11:20 PM	#17
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Yes, but most people use their PC for stuff that the PS3 is advertising, and it's only advertising the five most popular things to do with a PC, none of the million other things you can do with it, and think they can charge the same price as a decent new PC. What some people, console gamers, don't do with their PC is play games. So I think Sony is a bit off the mark on this. It's NICE to have all of those extras, but when they replace the main reason for the machine and affect the price, it's time to cut back a bit.

05-27-2006, 02:38 AM	#19
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	You know what I think's going to be fun about the Wii, is multiplayer vs games. And by 'fun' I mean 'invariably ending in fistfights'. And just to be clear, yes, I do consider the two to be valid synonyms. ... Still hate the name Wii though. __________________ check out my buttspresso

05-27-2006, 05:11 AM	#20
spazzhands spazzhands Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: staines, england Posts: 195	thats what brings gamers and non-gamers alike together in complete harmony... they all hate the name!