Final Fantasy 12: RPG of the year, or cheap attempt to make money? - Page 2

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 10-12-2006, 08:52 AM

Too be honest, I'm not rightly sure. Having only recently started playing both FF7 and FF8, the jury's still out on each of their respective systems. Both Materia and Junctions mean that any character can use any ability. With Materia, characters become their limit breaks. With Junctions, characters become completely overpowered, and at times it gets fiddly with having to micro-manage which abilities to set for each character. Materia also seems to take AGES to build up and both systems mean you have to keep switching things around everytime you want/need to use another character. Personally I think FFX had the best (and simplest) system so far, but hopefully XII's will be good as well.

Buddha Fett · 10-12-2006, 12:41 PM

I'm probably going to ride the fence on this one; it could so easily become one of the best or the worst RPGs of all time. I really do hope that they make it work, though.

steve11 · 10-12-2006, 12:52 PM

Honestly the FF series has gone down hill for me since it left the SNES.

FF VI was the pinacle of the series FFVII was cool because it was 3d (though inferior to VI in every other way) but it was still a neat game, after that the series ran off a cliff.

On the "random encounters" TBH FF is a random encounters series, and changing that is silly. There are other square franchises (Chrono Trigger, Seiken Densatsu) that are not random encounter based which they could expand (I'll not they are expanding Seiken) and are just as good (if not better) then the FF series.

Gilionaire · 10-12-2006, 02:09 PM

I preordered the fancy FFXII in august. The one with the metal case. I am looking foward to it. I hope they have done a good job. They are also making a prequel for it for NintendoDS.

Lockeownzj00 · 10-12-2006, 02:41 PM

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Well, the point I'm getting at is, all of the FFs that people think are half-assed or not very good, I like.

While there are a few that are more hotly debated than others...essentially, every Final Fantasy is thought of as 'half-assed' or 'not very good' by someone. Just a heads up.

Magus · 10-12-2006, 02:49 PM

Well I certainly wouldn't label it as a cheap attempt to make money, they put as much time and effort into it as they have any other Final Fantasy game, probably more what with the enhancement of the graphics and all the thought that went into the License Board and Gambit systems.

I'm sure it'll be just fine, it might not be as good as FFIX but the fact that you can explore has already made me like it more than FFX, an okay game but man was it linear, and not just in choices, you seriously walked in one straight line that entire game. Full 3D is very much appreciated.

As for the characters and universe, I like them a lot, I've always liked the FFT themes of war and revenge and such, and since you can turn off the Gambit system if you don't like it I can't really see why people won't like this at least as much as most of the other FFs. And heck, they're calling the summons Espers again, how oldskool is that?

I love the Esper list, that's like every main boss from the FFT games and half of the regular games. I mean, you can summon Velius (finally properly translated as Belias), that's almost a game seller right there.

Anyway, I think it looks pretty good.

Regulus Tera · 10-12-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus

I love the Esper list, that's like every main boss from the FFT games and half of the regular games. I mean, you can summon Velius (finally properly translated as Belias), that's almost a game seller right there.

And Zeromus, Exdeath, Chaos... oh, and there's also a fight with Gilgamesh! How could I forget that one?

Sincerely, I don't have that much to say about FFXII because I already explained why I think FFXII is God's gift to man. Main reasons?

Yasumi Matsuno.
Intelligent AI that actually works when you apply it.
Hitoshi Sakimoto and Matsuno.
The characters may look like they came out from a j-pop magazine, but you can't not say that the art design is exquisite.
Bunny girls are the hot.
Did I mention Matsuno?

Yeah, I'm a Yazz whore. Bite me.

EDIT: Wanted to point out, if you really want to play the game at the end of the month, refrain absolutely from the internet for... well, about a month. The game was leaked last week, and spoilers are going to be abundant by the time it officially comes out.

ElfLad · 10-12-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by steve11

On the "random encounters" TBH FF is a random encounters series, and changing that is silly. There are other square franchises (Chrono Trigger, Seiken Densatsu) that are not random encounter based which they could expand (I'll not they are expanding Seiken) and are just as good (if not better) then the FF series.

Not if random encounters were never a good thing, only a necessary thing before there was the capability to show enemy sprites on the map.

That's like saying that any Shadows of the Colossus sequel would need a sub-par, uncooperative camera. It doesn't.

Dwarfburg citizen · 10-12-2006, 06:12 PM

Another impression I got from the import is that Matsuno stalkers/whores (Im looking at YOU Neko) are going to be VERY happy, so happy in fact that Id say your gonna need new pants for your wardrobe on the 31st. The whole thing is a God Damned Matsuno Lovefest. References to Vagrant Story and other Matsuno things abound.

Regulus Tera · 10-12-2006, 06:23 PM

Citizen, seeing as you have played the import (because I trust you in that you legitimately bought the game, and were not a cheap ass bastard who just downloaded it off da intarwebs you are awesome), what would you say are the game flaws (non-story related, of course)? Almost all of the criticism I hear comes from people who have not played the game, and I would really like to know if something bothered you so much in particular that it may have occured at the dismay of everything else.

10-12-2006, 12:41 PM	#12
Buddha Fett Pretty Sweet Hat. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Behind You Posts: 353	I'm probably going to ride the fence on this one; it could so easily become one of the best or the worst RPGs of all time. I really do hope that they make it work, though. __________________ "I think perhaps the most important problem is that we are trying to understand the fundamental workings of the universe via a language devised for telling one another when the best fruit is." -Terry Pratchett

10-12-2006, 02:09 PM	#14
Gilionaire Goomba Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 19	I preordered the fancy FFXII in august. The one with the metal case. I am looking foward to it. I hope they have done a good job. They are also making a prequel for it for NintendoDS. __________________ Do what you want and say what you feel because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter don't mind.

10-12-2006, 06:12 PM	#19
Dwarfburg citizen Thinking profoundly... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In the cave that is my room Posts: 241	Another impression I got from the import is that Matsuno stalkers/whores (Im looking at YOU Neko) are going to be VERY happy, so happy in fact that Id say your gonna need new pants for your wardrobe on the 31st. The whole thing is a God Damned Matsuno Lovefest. References to Vagrant Story and other Matsuno things abound. __________________ NPF Zombie Horde: The nonsensical juggler / Unintimidating member of the Horde

10-12-2006, 06:23 PM	#20
Regulus Tera lol i dont even know Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,271	Citizen, seeing as you have played the import (because I trust you in that you legitimately bought the game, and were not a cheap ass bastard who just downloaded it off da intarwebs you are awesome), what would you say are the game flaws (non-story related, of course)? Almost all of the criticism I hear comes from people who have not played the game, and I would really like to know if something bothered you so much in particular that it may have occured at the dismay of everything else. Last edited by Regulus Tera; 10-12-2006 at 07:26 PM.

10-12-2006, 12:52 PM	#13
steve11 Troopa Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 91	Honestly the FF series has gone down hill for me since it left the SNES. FF VI was the pinacle of the series FFVII was cool because it was 3d (though inferior to VI in every other way) but it was still a neat game, after that the series ran off a cliff. On the "random encounters" TBH FF is a random encounters series, and changing that is silly. There are other square franchises (Chrono Trigger, Seiken Densatsu) that are not random encounter based which they could expand (I'll not they are expanding Seiken) and are just as good (if not better) then the FF series.

10-12-2006, 02:49 PM	#16
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Well I certainly wouldn't label it as a cheap attempt to make money, they put as much time and effort into it as they have any other Final Fantasy game, probably more what with the enhancement of the graphics and all the thought that went into the License Board and Gambit systems. I'm sure it'll be just fine, it might not be as good as FFIX but the fact that you can explore has already made me like it more than FFX, an okay game but man was it linear, and not just in choices, you seriously walked in one straight line that entire game. Full 3D is very much appreciated. As for the characters and universe, I like them a lot, I've always liked the FFT themes of war and revenge and such, and since you can turn off the Gambit system if you don't like it I can't really see why people won't like this at least as much as most of the other FFs. And heck, they're calling the summons Espers again, how oldskool is that? I love the Esper list, that's like every main boss from the FFT games and half of the regular games. I mean, you can summon Velius (finally properly translated as Belias), that's almost a game seller right there. Anyway, I think it looks pretty good.