Peter Jackson axed from Hobbit (can Brett Ratner be far behind?) - Page 2

gurusloth · 11-21-2006, 11:14 PM

Why don't they just get the guy who made Willow? Even better, just re-release the movie and change the name, I doubt anyone would know.

Archbio · 11-21-2006, 11:25 PM

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You could have just said three words, you know.

Less is more?

Magus · 11-22-2006, 11:10 PM

What? That's pretty crazy. PJ is the man with those LOTR movies. Must be Tolkein's revenge from the grave for cutting out "The Scouring of the Shire" from Return of the King. Yes, I wanted to see midget armies beat on orcs. Is that so wrong?! Anyway, you can cut out Tom Bombadil, but you can't very well cut out the damn ending to the book! No closure on Saruman in that rape, either. Oh, PJ! You fool!

And I'm sure all the Halo fans are mad over that Halo movie getting canned, though seriously I can't see a Halo movie being taken seriously. The games maybe, but look at the outfits the main guys wear, they're just so video-gamish. I mean you could throw lots of money at it but it still might have turned out campyish. It's hard to explain. Kind've like how Street Fighter The Movie was brought down even more by the outfits they wore in it (nothing could have saved it but realistic clothing might have).

Kenryoku_Maxis · 11-22-2006, 11:19 PM

I'm happy. Peter Jackson isn't a good director and I think he hurt the Lord of the Rings movies, although I'm in the minority.

What good things came out of those movies I think came from WETA and smaller groups of people working on sets, etc. And the two directors who got to do the 'lesser' scenes did a much better job in my opinion.

Tydeus · 11-23-2006, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenryoku_Maxis

I'm happy. Peter Jackson isn't a good director and I think he hurt the Lord of the Rings movies, although I'm in the minority.

What good things came out of those movies I think came from WETA and smaller groups of people working on sets, etc. And the two directors who got to do the 'lesser' scenes did a much better job in my opinion.

Wow. Someone who can seperate art direction from directing. I thought I was the only one. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Petey, but furrowed brows != good acting. But then again, when your line is "these mountains be cursed," what else can you do, really? Brow furrowing is pretty much your only friend in that situation. The result, of course, is nine hours of scrunchy-faced people talking about cursed mountains and cursed marshes and cursed jewlery and cursed people and of course, cursed hexes, spells, and -- what else? -- cursed curses. But, damn if it didn't look even better than anything I had ever imagined while reading the books.

Still, no movie that has a 10:1 ratio of slow fucking motion close-up shots of overwrought reactions to what's happening to what's actually fucking happening, deserves the Oscar for BEST EDITING. Does anyone else see the inherent madness in such a proposal?

And, yeah, I overdid it with the "Best Editing" italicizing etc, but it still wasn't even a millionth as unecessary as the last forty-five minutes of Return of the King.

Mirai Gen · 11-23-2006, 04:39 AM

Peter Jackson's not the most terrific of directors, but I liked him perfectly well.

Besides; the whole close-up slowmotion thing worked more often than it didn't. And, well, isn't that the editor's job to cut for the slowmo-happy director?

Not a film buff, but I liked Lord of the Rings and thought that Jackson did perfectly fine. Hell; I had a good reaction to when Boromir died. That was slo-mo athon, but at least had the emotion it needed.

Archbio · 11-23-2006, 04:49 AM

The theatrical version of Fellowsip of the Ring got all the good slowmotion bits, and very few aberrant ones, as far as I can remember.

Gandalf's death actually benefitted from the slowmotion. At the time I thought a great deal of the whole following sequence. Having seen the two other movies, the extended cut of Fellowship and Peter Jackson's version of King Kong, however, it's hard for me not to think that Peter Jackson has some kind of debilitating, progressive, pathological compulsion to stretch everything out.

In light of this, maybe the Gandalf thing was a lucky shot! The law of averages was on his side.

Tydeus · 11-23-2006, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Not a film buff, but I liked Lord of the Rings and thought that Jackson did perfectly fine. Hell; I had a good reaction to when Boromir died. That was slo-mo athon, but at least had the emotion it needed.

Yeah -- they were very enjoyable movies, but in the same way (for me) that fast food is satisfying; you enjoy it, but you wouldn't exactly call it high quality, right?

Craftsmanship is important to any art form, really, and LOTR lacked craftsmanship tremendously in everything but their visual designs. Still, fun movies, and they could have easily been entirely bad -- imagine them without the incredible conception of the LOTR world. *shudder*

Demetrius · 11-23-2006, 05:34 AM

A little aside, but what was the prequel they were talking about? Is this like the unfinished stories thing or something 100% Hollywood evil?

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope · 11-23-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Demetrius

A little aside, but what was the prequel they were talking about? Is this like the unfinished stories thing or something 100% Hollywood evil?

I am sincerly hoping it is the Unfinished tales, or the Silmarilion. But it is hollywood so they will.

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11-23-2006, 04:39 AM	#16
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Peter Jackson's not the most terrific of directors, but I liked him perfectly well. Besides; the whole close-up slowmotion thing worked more often than it didn't. And, well, isn't that the editor's job to cut for the slowmo-happy director? Not a film buff, but I liked Lord of the Rings and thought that Jackson did perfectly fine. Hell; I had a good reaction to when Boromir died. That was slo-mo athon, but at least had the emotion it needed. __________________

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Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	The theatrical version of Fellowsip of the Ring got all the good slowmotion bits, and very few aberrant ones, as far as I can remember. Gandalf's death actually benefitted from the slowmotion. At the time I thought a great deal of the whole following sequence. Having seen the two other movies, the extended cut of Fellowship and Peter Jackson's version of King Kong, however, it's hard for me not to think that Peter Jackson has some kind of debilitating, progressive, pathological compulsion to stretch everything out. In light of this, maybe the Gandalf thing was a lucky shot! The law of averages was on his side. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform. Last edited by Archbio; 11-23-2006 at 04:52 AM.

11-23-2006, 05:34 AM	#19
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11-22-2006, 11:10 PM	#13
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	What? That's pretty crazy. PJ is the man with those LOTR movies. Must be Tolkein's revenge from the grave for cutting out "The Scouring of the Shire" from Return of the King. Yes, I wanted to see midget armies beat on orcs. Is that so wrong?! Anyway, you can cut out Tom Bombadil, but you can't very well cut out the damn ending to the book! No closure on Saruman in that rape, either. Oh, PJ! You fool! And I'm sure all the Halo fans are mad over that Halo movie getting canned, though seriously I can't see a Halo movie being taken seriously. The games maybe, but look at the outfits the main guys wear, they're just so video-gamish. I mean you could throw lots of money at it but it still might have turned out campyish. It's hard to explain. Kind've like how Street Fighter The Movie was brought down even more by the outfits they wore in it (nothing could have saved it but realistic clothing might have).