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Unread 01-07-2010, 05:08 PM   #11
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Well, as long as they don't hook it UP to anything, it should be fine. But the moment I hear the words "military aplications", then it's time to run for your nearest nuclear bunker.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 05:25 PM   #12
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I think movies and books and games have gone to great lengths to create this artificial fear of machines rising up to overthrow us based on nothing but conjecture.

It is a really silly idea overall that we would be able to create an artificial being with real emotions(because we totally understand how those work enough to make accurate copies) and absolutly no "plan-B" failsafe.

So what if you make a big copper copy of a human brain and hook it up to something? What is it going to be able to do in the span of time it takes for you to grab a fireaxe and cleave it or a blowtorch and melt a fucking hole in it? Or push the button that activates the magnetic burst machines located below and above it?

Certainly not hack into any hardened computer systems full of sensitive information and launch codes. Not unless that is what you programmed it to try and do. Then you're stupid.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 05:55 PM   #13
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I think movies and books and games have gone to great lengths to create this artificial fear of machines rising up to overthrow us based on nothing but conjecture.
I base it off my fear that if we program something to think like us, then it will act like us too. Especially if it perceives itself to be threatened in someway.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 06:20 PM   #14
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I don't think we'll be able to create a truly sentient AI ever. It still has to be programmed to act in some way, starting off collecting data to process and make sense of, probably.

Nah, not gonna happen.
And if it does, color me impressed.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 07:21 PM   #15
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Alternatively, "See! We are as gods, able to create and destroy life at but a whim!"
I just figured the reason was the same as any and all superscience: Because it's cool.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 07:54 PM   #16
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I don't think we'll be able to create a truly sentient AI ever. It still has to be programmed to act in some way, starting off collecting data to process and make sense of, probably.
Artificial Intelligence researchers and supporters taking a cue from behaviorism feel that the establishment of basic behaviors and decision-making rules into a network to dictate actions of machines could lay the foundation for basic intelligence. Ideally, these would be the foundations for more complex brains and even capable of adapting to situations and obstacles. Rovers meant for exploration on other planets, for example, have been and are being developed in this manner.

To my knowledge, no one knows how that latter leap will be made yet, though perhaps it is thought of similar to animal evolution. However, it is true that many fictional stories depict an intelligence that nearly immediately weighs the pros and cons and "decides" that humanity is unfit to protect itself, is a threat, is in danger of consuming itself, or any other of other justifications for hostile action and/or defense, purporting that the programmers and developers of the machines are capable of imparting such sentience strictly through construction and coding. Without trying to get too preachy, failing to understand or be able to quantify a living being's soul will likely keep true AI sentience out of reach. Assuming such a thing exists, of course.



Of course, simplistic reasoning and decision-making isn't required to lead to sentience, either. Tools and even weapons with these capabilities could be created without fear of them turning on their creators.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 07:59 PM   #17
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None the less, it's kinda of difficult to learn about how our emotions work by creating an artificial brain when we barely understand it as it is.

It could be done but the end result won't be what we want it to be. We still won't learn much from it about how our brains work.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 08:18 PM   #18
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We wouldn't understand everything, but we would understand a great deal more, as constructing an artificial brain that learns and develops behaviorally in a way similar to our own gives us something that we can use to actually print a solid readout of the if-then processes that go come up throughout the development of an intelligent being's mind throughout its life.

Multiple such brains being exposed to various positive and negative stimuli versus control groups in a laboratory fashion would be a huge boon to the field of behavioral psychology, but then you get into the complicated and messy world of civil rights and basic humane treatment and how they apply to artificial beings, and honestly those tend to end with machine uprisings that I, for one, would like to avoid.
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Why "Fall in love"? What's with this paramount achievement they glue together to every piece of artificial life form someone is creating somewhere? I'm honestly hoping it's a reporter's words and not the scientist's words in there.

We hardly understand "love" ourselves. How can you possibly hope to "code it" into another being in a way that is natural and organic?

The most i can possibily think of is that of a Memory bank that can recognize multiple levels and layers of Anger, Happiness, Sadness and Joy and when they are directed to you or to someone else, and then, classifying the emitter as either "Friendly", "Indiferent" or "Hostile" towards the recipient.

And even that at most would generate some degree of empathy. As per basis of a pre-selected personality o the machine.

Really, what comes to mind is when they have those Camera commercials and they go "This camera can recognize smiles and shoot automatically!" well, yeah, it sounds about right... but i know the machine is not actually recognizing my smile. It's just a Less tech-savvy statement for the public (and investors)
You know, I really don't see what the problem with giving an AI emotions is. It seems to me that emotions are actually a good limiter, even by your own assertion.

Really, what most limits humans? Emotion. You have things like compassion, remorse, and fear keeping you from doing stuff all the time. In fact, the only emotion liable to cause any kind of damage to others is anger.

So why not let an artificial lifeform fall in love? It really doesn't make any sense to shuttle a group of people into automatic second- or third-class status by depriving them of the one thing that is at the same time worth living, fighting, and dying for.
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Unread 01-07-2010, 09:54 PM   #20
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I counter that those emotions you list as limiters are also catalysts. "Good" or "bad", emotions all have the ability to override logic in positive and negative ways.
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