Feminism? Discussion?! Of course! or Why there is no Discussion forum anymore

[DFM]

You callin' me weird?

[Mirai Gen]

I'm dating a woman who throws freight overnight for a retail store. She can lift more than I can.

I mean even if I could cite sources and consult graphs it's still bullshit to say "Women are physically inferior to men, because."

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Yeah! Cause women bodybuilders don't exist.

I mean, duh.

Body builders, fighters, and people in severely physical professions don't represent average human bodies.
Conversely, people who don't even engage in regular physical activity don't either.

Women have better lower body strength, due to their hips, usually, men have better upper body strength, due to their shoulders.

People are DIFFERENT from each other, you guys! SHOCKER! And this DOES"NT mean one is better than the other! OMG!

[pochercoaster]

Regardless of how it relates to legality, I'm actually surprised that you guys are arguing that woman aren't smaller and weaker than men. This is a -generalization-, of course- there are plenty of weak little men and plenty of strong women. But, on average, women have less muscle mass than men. It's just biology; women produce less testosterone and therefore don't build as much muscle. They ARE physically inferior. Even female athletes tend to perform a little under male athletes. Check world records for track, shot-put, etc. and the top performing women, while still amazing, tend to score a little below top performing men.

And referring to yourself as an example on a forum where nerds congregate isn't really helping. XD (I'd also like to point out I'm saying this as a woman who works out on a regular basis. While my muscles are pretty strong, that doesn't mean my brother, who barely lifts a finger, couldn't throw me across a room if he wanted to.)

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by pocheros

This is a -generalization-, of course-

EXACTLY!

EDIT:

They ARE physically inferior.

uuuugghhh

Look I know you can consult statistical averages all over the chart and argue till you're blue in the face but that doesn't change the fact that this kind of mindset is the exact kind of prejudiced bullshit I thought we left behind when women got the right to vote.

Saying that women are generally physically inferior to men sounds all fine and dandy when you're talking about strict biology but in context with physical abuse between parties this means you're automatically going to go "Well the woman can't have done anything wrong! She's generally physically inferior!"

[katiuska]

For the record, women generally have greater strength per amount of muscle mass, they just also have less of it. I'm just throwing that out there, I'm not touching the rest of the thread.

[pochercoaster]

Well, when referring to large populations of people (that is, 50% of it), it's better to use a generalization than an anecdote.

Um, I mean, I shouldn't even have to explain this.

It's like saying, I dunno, if you had to make a decision that affected everyone based on hair colour, you would go with brown, not blonde.

Edit: Seriously, wtffff. I'm not touching the legal aspects. I'm just arguing that statistically, women are generally weaker than men. It's pretty much fact. The rest of this thread I'm not addressing.

Edit 2: And I am aware that there are female abusers out there and that frankly anyone with the know-how can break anyone's arm. But most people don't have this training.

[Archbio]

Never heard a feminist argue that it's an example of discrimination that dick kick humor is totally wrong/acceptable as cunt punt humor.

See, this is bullshit. If you actually compare what instances of "testicular trauma" humor are generally like, and what "cunt punt humor" (I'd like to put a second set of quotes around humor there, but it'd just be ugly), you'd find that they're not just equivalent with hormone dosage switched. Just look at the creepshow of a thread in question.

Women are like my lawnmower.

The focus is kind of different than the basic slapstick of a man getting hit in the groin by a football. I mean basically you're complaining about men who created a (stupid) comedy trope based on their experience of how badly placed testicles are. It exists in a basically empathic way. Even the schadenfreude of it is basically empathy. The audience for men getting hit in the groin isn't women.

You could have slapstick comedy that includes a woman getting hit in the groin, but there are a few reasons why there'll always be less of it than the male version. None of them actually have anything to do with supposedly normal American white males being oppressed. Shocking!

*It being a violent act that may or may not be rape. Komedy!

[DFM]

You could say black guys are generally stronger than white guys but it doesn't mean white guys should get special legal privileges to make up for their handicap.

Edit:

The focus is kind of different than the basic slapstick of a man getting hit in the groin by a football. I mean basically you're complaining about men who created a (stupid) comedy trope based on their experience of how badly placed testicles are. It exists in a basically empathic way. Even the schadenfreude of it is basically empathy. The audience for men getting hit in the groin isn't women.

You could have slapstick comedy that includes a woman getting hit in the groin, but there are a few reasons why there'll always be less of it than the male version. None of them actually have anything to do with supposedly normal American white male being oppressed.

*It being a violent act that may or may not be rape. Komedy!

Wooooah, look at all this bullshit spilling out here!

Slapstick is funny because somebody's getting hurt, whether its a girl having a bucket fall on her head or a dude getting hit in the nuts by a plank. If more people actually realized a woman getting hit in the groin hurts you'd see a lot more of it. You usually see the opposite, the joke being that she doesn't get hurt at all because she's got no testicles. Hah!

The only real reason you don't see more women in slapstick is because it does bring up uncomfortable connotations of domestic abuse that people looking for a laugh would rather not deal with. Same reason most slapstick doesn't involve a bunch of white guys trying to beat up a black guy. No, it isn't any more wrong, but people make connections.

Edit 2: If it seems like I'm drawing racial analogies a lot it's because I am, it's the best non-sexism example I can think of.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by pocheros

Well, when referring to large populations of people (that is, 50% of it), it's better to use a generalization than an anecdote.

Um, I mean, I shouldn't even have to explain this.

It's like saying, I dunno, if you had to make a decision that affected everyone based on hair colour, you would go with brown, not blonde.

Edit: Seriously, wtffff. I'm not touching the legal aspects. I'm just arguing that statistically, women are generally weaker than men. It's pretty much fact. The rest of this thread I'm not addressing.

Edit 2: And I am aware that there are female abusers out there and that frankly anyone with the know-how can break anyone's arm. But most people don't have this training.

Different, not inferior, DIFFERENT.

You could say black guys are generally stronger than white guys but it doesn't mean white guys should get special legal privileges to make up for their handicap.

Which Black Guys? Bantus? BUshmen? angolans? Nubians? African Americans? African-Diasporics?
Which White guys? Scandinavians? anglo-Saxxons? Mediteraneans?

Race is a fictional construct that encompasses a wide variety of vastly different people for the sake of the people defining it's convienience.

Saying that women are generally physically inferior to men sounds all fine and dandy when you're talking about strict biology but in context with physical abuse between parties this means you're automatically going to go "Well the woman can't have done anything wrong! She's generally physically inferior!"

This is viewing physical abuse only from the physical aspect. What happens when you run up to someone and hit them is dictated as much by their physical abilities as it is by their social position, legal status, Religion, personality, etc.

My family and community constantly tells me that I, as the son, am not allowed to fight back if my mother decides to wail on me. Even though I'm a grown-ass man, and she's big as hell, and crazy as hell. If I was'nt an adult, and she was'nt bigger than me, these rules would still exist. Child abuse laws exist just as much for the physical descrepancies as they do for the cultural, social, and psycological standards of our culture and parenting.

The same can be said for laws concerning domestic abuse.

Wooooah, look at all this bullshit spilling out here!

Slapstick is funny because somebody's getting hurt, whether its a girl having a bucket fall on her head or a dude getting hit in the nuts by a plank. If more people actually realized a woman getting hit in the groin hurts you'd see a lot more of it. You usually see the opposite, the joke being that she doesn't get hurt at all because she's got no testicles. Hah!

I Don't know about you, but the general response I see by men when watching a nut-check scene is:
"OOOOOOH!!!"
*Clutches crotch in sympathy*
"That had to hurt"
*may or may not think about the time the viewer got hit in the nuts in some spectacular way*

Whereas in other slapstick it's just
"HA!"

and women usually respond the same way to nut-shots

Tsticular humor is a very specific kind, considering it specifically applies to testicles.