[WAR] so let's talk about this mosque in New York - Page 2

Julford Hajime · 08-23-2010, 06:45 PM

Man, I was watching the news today while they showed clips from protests outside the proposed area, and there was a chant going on that they kept repeating.* The chant was something like "We're sick of all this racism and bigotry, MUSLIMS DON'T DESERVE TO BE HERE!"

I laughed, and then cried. Laughed because of the absolutely hilarious hypocricy of the words, then cried because they actually believe this is a reasonable thought process.

*: Yes, it was on Fox. I was watching my local Fox studio because I hate the other local channels and I at least KNOW that Fox is biased as all fucked.

Bob The Mercenary · 08-23-2010, 08:40 PM

I listened to some radio show Saturday while I was on break from work. Every single caller referenced Muslims as "those people" and how "they want to kill us".

I don't...I don't even know anymore. And the best part, the part that I love, is the best argument anyone can come up with against this psuedo-mosque/prayer room is "but it's just wrong."

Magus · 08-23-2010, 09:48 PM

Doesn't really matter, there's no legal way to prevent this Islamic community cent--OMG MOSQUE from being built, as it's a privately-owned property that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory. They'll build it, world won't end, people will quit talking about it.

POS Industries · 08-23-2010, 09:52 PM

It's been 26 years and Republicans still don't know what "Born in the USA" is about.

Me? I'm looking forward to playing basketball at Park51 as soon as it's built.

Tev · 08-23-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Doesn't really matter, there's no legal way to prevent this Islamic community cent--OMG MOSQUE from being built, as it's a privately-owned property that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory. They'll build it, world won't end, people will quit talking about it.

Actually that's not completely true. Two words: Eminent domain.

I mean, yeah this little blogy thing from the Salon is not the greatest source of info...

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I might need to invent a separate "I think he actually means well but what the hell" category for Gov. David Paterson, who is, I think, trying very hard to be a peacemaker, as part of his "fuck it, I'm out of office soon anyway" tour '10. But his claims that he will give state land to the developers (which would be constitutionally iffy) and his repeated insistence that he's meeting with Cordoba Initiative representatives about moving the site (which they keep disputing) are just serving to support the idea that there's some compelling reason why they should move.

....but that highlighted part there sound like the beginning of those kinds of talks. They'd start with "But we gave you state land to build somewhere else." And then when the builders still refuse they'd follow it up with "Well you know how we assumed control of some state land for you to build on? Yeah, well we're doing that again. This time we're assuming control of your land and giving it to someone else."

RobinStarwing · 08-24-2010, 12:22 AM

First off, I am no racist or bigot.

I am both for and against this community center.

I am for it and not just that...lets setup so much land around Ground Zero with temples to every religion. Kind of like Liquid Snake's suggestion.

But I am also against because some of what you see as bigotry is actually still the fresh wounds of 9/11 that are bleeding and open. This is making us face them and yet I am reminded of something I heard said and it is the most logical and concise argument I've heard against the Park51 project.

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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should.

So yes, I do support the project going forward if it does because it would be un-american not too due to this place will hopefully be used to promote peace and tolerance. At the same time though, I am against it because the wounds are still too fresh.

Freedom is a balancing act between knowing when you can do or say something and when it would be better not to do it or open your mouth.

Kim · 08-24-2010, 12:26 AM

So, they shouldn't build a community center with basketball court and culinary school on land they bought where you can't even really see Ground Zero because some people will be offended that Muslims will be able to pray inside and by offended I mean Fox News will tell them to be offended?

That's... that's definitely... huh...

POS Industries · 08-24-2010, 12:39 AM

The problem is that it's not really about the wounds. It's about fear. It's about this whole idea that there's an enemy at the gates united by an ideology of hatred toward our freedom and fealty to a heathen god that wants to burn down our women and rape our churches. It's a fear borne by an attack on our people but nurtured by our leaders telling us for the past decade that they will protect us from the bad men but we must be ever wary because the bad men could be walking among us as we speak!

But we know what to look for! They'll be darker skinned, have funny names, and irregular shaving habits! BE EVER VIGILANT OF THE TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST!

But this is what the bad men want as they sit in their hideouts on the other side of the globe. They want us to turn against each other and wage war on our own people, to submit to the terror they've sewn and disregard every ideal we claim to hold dear as we tear ourselves apart from within. That's why they're fucking called terrorists.

So here we are. It's very easy to go on about our Constitution and Bill of Rights and how America is the best, freest, kindest, smartest, shiniest, most springtime fresh country in the world gosh darn it and how we are a nation based on principles and ideals to which we would never dare waver when there's nothing to threaten it. But it only means something if we stick to those principles and ideals when it's hard to, and right now it's very hard for us to do that.

Which means we absolutely have to, now more than ever. Either we prove that we're more than just talk, or we let the terrorists win.

Nique · 08-24-2010, 01:32 AM

I'm totally all about sympathy for people hurt by something awful. I'm more about not using that hurt to forward a political agenda.

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It's about fear. It's about this whole idea that there's an enemy at the gates united by an ideology of hatred toward our freedom and fealty to a heathen god that wants to burn down our women and rape our churches. It's a fear borne by an attack on our people but nurtured by our leaders telling us for the past decade that they will protect us from the bad men but we must be ever wary because the bad men could be walking among us as we speak!

This.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-24-2010, 02:20 AM

These people had nothing to do with 9/11. Sayin they shouldn't be any Islamic buildings due to 9/11 is kind of like sayin Germans shouldn't be able to move to the states because of World War 2, despite all the Germans alive beitoo old to have any part in it.

08-23-2010, 09:52 PM	#14
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	It's been 26 years and Republicans still don't know what "Born in the USA" is about. Me? I'm looking forward to playing basketball at Park51 as soon as it's built. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

08-24-2010, 12:26 AM	#17
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	So, they shouldn't build a community center with basketball court and culinary school on land they bought where you can't even really see Ground Zero because some people will be offended that Muslims will be able to pray inside and by offended I mean Fox News will tell them to be offended? That's... that's definitely... huh... __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

08-24-2010, 12:39 AM	#18
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	The problem is that it's not really about the wounds. It's about fear. It's about this whole idea that there's an enemy at the gates united by an ideology of hatred toward our freedom and fealty to a heathen god that wants to burn down our women and rape our churches. It's a fear borne by an attack on our people but nurtured by our leaders telling us for the past decade that they will protect us from the bad men but we must be ever wary because the bad men could be walking among us as we speak! But we know what to look for! They'll be darker skinned, have funny names, and irregular shaving habits! BE EVER VIGILANT OF THE TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST! But this is what the bad men want as they sit in their hideouts on the other side of the globe. They want us to turn against each other and wage war on our own people, to submit to the terror they've sewn and disregard every ideal we claim to hold dear as we tear ourselves apart from within. That's why they're fucking called terrorists. So here we are. It's very easy to go on about our Constitution and Bill of Rights and how America is the best, freest, kindest, smartest, shiniest, most springtime fresh country in the world gosh darn it and how we are a nation based on principles and ideals to which we would never dare waver when there's nothing to threaten it. But it only means something if we stick to those principles and ideals when it's hard to, and right now it's very hard for us to do that. Which means we absolutely have to, now more than ever. Either we prove that we're more than just talk, or we let the terrorists win. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

08-23-2010, 06:45 PM	#11
Julford Hajime Monty Mole Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 744	Man, I was watching the news today while they showed clips from protests outside the proposed area, and there was a chant going on that they kept repeating.* The chant was something like "We're sick of all this racism and bigotry, MUSLIMS DON'T DESERVE TO BE HERE!" I laughed, and then cried. Laughed because of the absolutely hilarious hypocricy of the words, then cried because they actually believe this is a reasonable thought process. *: Yes, it was on Fox. I was watching my local Fox studio because I hate the other local channels and I at least KNOW that Fox is biased as all fucked.

08-23-2010, 08:40 PM	#12
Bob The Mercenary Bob Dole Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bob Dole Posts: 5,606	I listened to some radio show Saturday while I was on break from work. Every single caller referenced Muslims as "those people" and how "they want to kill us". I don't...I don't even know anymore. And the best part, the part that I love, is the best argument anyone can come up with against this psuedo-mosque/prayer room is "but it's just wrong."

08-23-2010, 09:48 PM	#13
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Doesn't really matter, there's no legal way to prevent this Islamic community cent--OMG MOSQUE from being built, as it's a privately-owned property that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory. They'll build it, world won't end, people will quit talking about it.

08-24-2010, 02:20 AM	#20
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	These people had nothing to do with 9/11. Sayin they shouldn't be any Islamic buildings due to 9/11 is kind of like sayin Germans shouldn't be able to move to the states because of World War 2, despite all the Germans alive beitoo old to have any part in it.