Protoman Shrugged - Page 2

Viridis · 08-29-2010, 12:31 AM

See, now I need to listen to The Good Doctor again because you reminded me how awesome that song was.

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Now, just because the Protomen are dealing partially with Objectivism, does not actually mean they are an Objectivist band.

So it's Objectivist in the same sense that Bioshock is, I'd say. Which is not very.

Magus · 08-29-2010, 01:07 AM

Yeah, as I mentioned to you in PM, the Protomen, dealing with a dystopia in the albums, seem way too pessimistic to think that the Randian utopic commune would've been anything but an abject failure, especially when attempted by human meatbags incapable of standing up to robots with a basic EMP bomb from pretty much any sci-fi movie.

Kyanbu The Legend · 08-29-2010, 03:15 AM

That clears things up quite a bit. Thank you for the info Magus. Roll hasn't appeared in the Protomen yet right? If they use her, I wonder if she'll be the one to convince Mega to give mankind a second chance.

A Zarkin' Frood · 08-29-2010, 03:28 AM

I almost had to whip out a facepalm pic. Not because of the interpretation, which is a perfectly valid one to make. But because some people are so easily influenced by someone else's opinion on the internet, seemingly without questioning it for a second, (nope, not gonna listen to the band anymore, I'm afraid it might poison my mind with their evil philosophy they try to inject into my brain.) some of those would even go as far as butchering their own works so no one objects with them. Maybe it's just me, but it's what I consider a bullet to the head.

Some people seem to take underlying themes in stories, intentional or not, way too seriously too and they always assume it must be the author's intention, no matter what. If I'd do that I probably couldn't watch any movie, or listen to any album or read a book, because somewhere, there's always a way to interpret something in a way that'd make me not like it. Often it's the most obvious one.

If I were to write a story I'd have better goals than trying to put my views in your brain, but maybe it's just because I hate missionaries of any kind.

No offense, by the way, I'm just posting this anyway.

Viridis · 08-29-2010, 03:41 AM

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nope, not gonna listen to the band anymore, I'm afraid it might poison my mind with their evil philosophy they try to inject into my brain.

You know I was joking, right?

And yeah, if you don't like the meaning behind a song, you could always go all Death Of The Author*

Edit: Dammit, I just saw the tag you gave the post.

A Zarkin' Frood · 08-29-2010, 04:28 AM

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, although, at times, I may get a bit (perhaps too) specific.
I'd also like to point out that my post might seem a bit more energetic than it's meant to be. Just imagine it to be read out loud in a really monotonous voice, because that's really how I talk, for realz. If you want I can record it with an over the top accent and upload it yootoob.

Magus · 08-31-2010, 12:13 PM

I'm an English major, doing a close reading of a work for thematic references, examining connotations of words, and interpreting it any which way we can selectively using evidence to back up our position is what it's all about. We can B.S. all day about it! And we do!

01d55 · 09-01-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus

I'm an English major, doing a close reading of a work for thematic references, examining connotations of words, and interpreting it any which way we can selectively using evidence to back up our position is what it's all about. We can B.S. all day about it! And we do!

Indeed, the true purpose of all academic study of culture is to ruin things you like by thinking about them.

Speaking of which, has anyone noticed that the human chorus is male before "How The World Fell Into Darkness" and female thereafter? (Chronologically, so female throughout act 1. Possible exception in "Hope Rides Alone;" the chorus is nigh inaudible.) It's particularly striking when Protoman directly addresses them as "Man." Also, the only woman with a name is Light's girlfriend, and she dies in the second song (third track) so her boyfriend can have a personal grudge against the villain.

Magus · 09-02-2010, 01:26 AM

Only woman in the thing dies horribly, Protomen are obviously misogynist. Except for like the men who die horribly, too, but that's not being selective!

It's kind of like how The Dark Knight is racist because only black people die in it, except for all the people who die in it that aren't black, including the whitest guy in the whole thing getting his face burned off and his neck broken. But that's not being selective! You gotta select only the shit that supports your position, or suddenly Iago doesn't want to have gay sex with Othello and kill Desdemona out of envy. And we know that that was totally what Shakespeare was getting at, obviously!

01d55 · 09-02-2010, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Only woman in the thing dies horribly, Protomen are obviously misogynist. Except for like the men who die horribly, too, but that's not being selective!

Not being selective: The men actually do things that aint dyin'. Joe defeats Light's Monster and blows up the tower, Protoman goes down in a big brawl and then comes back for another big fight. Emily walks on stage, says Wily nay, gets murdered.

Wily, Light, and Mega Man ain't dead yet, and they all done big deal stuff.

EDIT: There was black people in the dark night???

08-29-2010, 03:15 AM	#13
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	That clears things up quite a bit. Thank you for the info Magus. Roll hasn't appeared in the Protomen yet right? If they use her, I wonder if she'll be the one to convince Mega to give mankind a second chance. __________________

08-29-2010, 03:28 AM	#14
A Zarkin' Frood formerly known as Prince. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Right here, with you >:) Posts: 2,395	I almost had to whip out a facepalm pic. Not because of the interpretation, which is a perfectly valid one to make. But because some people are so easily influenced by someone else's opinion on the internet, seemingly without questioning it for a second, (nope, not gonna listen to the band anymore, I'm afraid it might poison my mind with their evil philosophy they try to inject into my brain.) some of those would even go as far as butchering their own works so no one objects with them. Maybe it's just me, but it's what I consider a bullet to the head. Some people seem to take underlying themes in stories, intentional or not, way too seriously too and they always assume it must be the author's intention, no matter what. If I'd do that I probably couldn't watch any movie, or listen to any album or read a book, because somewhere, there's always a way to interpret something in a way that'd make me not like it. Often it's the most obvious one. If I were to write a story I'd have better goals than trying to put my views in your brain, but maybe it's just because I hate missionaries of any kind. No offense, by the way, I'm just posting this anyway. __________________ >:( C-:

08-29-2010, 04:28 AM	#16
A Zarkin' Frood formerly known as Prince. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Right here, with you >:) Posts: 2,395	I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, although, at times, I may get a bit (perhaps too) specific. I'd also like to point out that my post might seem a bit more energetic than it's meant to be. Just imagine it to be read out loud in a really monotonous voice, because that's really how I talk, for realz. If you want I can record it with an over the top accent and upload it yootoob. __________________ >:( C-:

08-29-2010, 01:07 AM	#12
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Yeah, as I mentioned to you in PM, the Protomen, dealing with a dystopia in the albums, seem way too pessimistic to think that the Randian utopic commune would've been anything but an abject failure, especially when attempted by human meatbags incapable of standing up to robots with a basic EMP bomb from pretty much any sci-fi movie.

08-31-2010, 12:13 PM	#17
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	I'm an English major, doing a close reading of a work for thematic references, examining connotations of words, and interpreting it any which way we can selectively using evidence to back up our position is what it's all about. We can B.S. all day about it! And we do!

09-02-2010, 01:26 AM	#19
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Only woman in the thing dies horribly, Protomen are obviously misogynist. Except for like the men who die horribly, too, but that's not being selective! It's kind of like how The Dark Knight is racist because only black people die in it, except for all the people who die in it that aren't black, including the whitest guy in the whole thing getting his face burned off and his neck broken. But that's not being selective! You gotta select only the shit that supports your position, or suddenly Iago doesn't want to have gay sex with Othello and kill Desdemona out of envy. And we know that that was totally what Shakespeare was getting at, obviously!