Reinstating the Draft in June 05? - Page 2

BitVyper · 05-22-2004, 12:37 PM

Has Bush given his opinion either way on this?

Illuminatus · 05-22-2004, 12:57 PM

If the draft was enacted, I would go. Unless I was in direct opposition to the war, I would go. It's the least I can do.

Still...that draft doesn't make any sense. To me, the most efficient military force is a small, well trained army, not a massive group of poorly trained draftees. The smaller it is, the more efficient and the draft just complicated things.

I dunno. Doesn't sound very smart to me.

Ytoabn · 05-22-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Futae No Kiwami

gay. thats all I have to say about this. This is gay.

Ironically with the new requirements the only way to get out of this legally is to be openly gay...

Don't ask, don't tell.

Lycanthrope · 05-22-2004, 03:33 PM

I've started an email, having sent it to several people, and told them to spread it farther.

A responce I got from one of my friends a "liberal republican" who recieved this theory from a teacher of his merits posting here. It doesn't quite sound plausible, but then again it also sounds better than any other theory I've got for why they're doing this: Its a political move. The democratic senators proposed the bill so they could vote against it. They believe that even such a bill hitting the floor will cause such a political firestorm that it will cause a power-shift to democratic in the house and senate.

It sounds paranoid, but the next best theory I have involves Illuminati and/or other megalomaniac secret societies.

Lucas · 05-22-2004, 03:38 PM

but would they be stupid enough to not realize that people will track down the source of the bills? i dunno, that theory's got holes. if the republicans vote against it, and so do the democrats, the democrats lose out, because they fathered the bill, and if the republicans vote for it, they're granted the heavyweight idiot champion of the world title.

Ereinion Gil-galad · 05-22-2004, 04:53 PM

As Ytobn said, dont ask dont tell, If i am drafted I am going right in there and tellin them im gay so i wont gota go, plus I am completly apposed to this war, i didnt see any reason to attack Iraq, and I am not going to fight them, and about Afganistan, I havent heard anything about us fighting over there in a long time. This is just another reason NOT to re-elect Bush. I personally think, that if he institutes the draft, there will be many, many riots

Lycanthrope · 05-22-2004, 05:11 PM

Well, thats the thing. There's a rule of politics that presidents both get too much credit and too much blame for things that happen during their administration. This is congresses initiative. Of course, with Kerry in the office, I find it to be more likely that he'd veto such a bill, but reguardless. Its congress, not Bush.

Which reminds me. If anyone has any SOLID information on why this bill was proposed in the first place, I'd like to know about it.

Luna Santin · 05-22-2004, 07:10 PM

I do believe it's important to note that both of these bills are, I think, obviously dead in committee -- neither of them was acted on, and they were referred to committee over a year ago. Am I the only one who's thinking the entire idea was pidgeonholed? I do, however, find it interesting that the democrats (a) proposed this, (b) are likely to blame Republicans for it, and (c) aren't likely to catch much flak for it.

EDITED: Some quick research tells me that the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Duncan Hunter, R-California, and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Commitee, John Warner, R-Virginia, both quite appear to have pidgeonholed the bills, thereby blocking them from further debate or voting. Republicans shooting down draft bills made by Democrats? Don't mind if I do.

Otaku Son · 05-22-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ytoabn

Ironically with the new requirements the only way to get out of this legally is to be openly gay...

Don't ask, don't tell.

He's right. The military is the largest discriminating force against open homosexuals, and they won't recruit anyone who is.

Krylo · 05-22-2004, 08:27 PM

I'm just going to arrange a few quotes here.

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but would they be stupid enough to not realize that people will track down the source of the bills? i dunno, that theory's got holes.

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Well, thats the thing. There's a rule of politics that presidents both get too much credit and too much blame for things that happen during their administration.

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This is just another reason NOT to re-elect Bush. I personally think, that if he institutes the draft, there will be many, many riots

Seems to be working to me, Lucas...

05-22-2004, 12:37 PM	#11
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Has Bush given his opinion either way on this? __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

05-22-2004, 12:57 PM	#12
Illuminatus The Dread Pirate Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the wild things are Posts: 1,310	If the draft was enacted, I would go. Unless I was in direct opposition to the war, I would go. It's the least I can do. Still...that draft doesn't make any sense. To me, the most efficient military force is a small, well trained army, not a massive group of poorly trained draftees. The smaller it is, the more efficient and the draft just complicated things. I dunno. Doesn't sound very smart to me. __________________ Man, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is the extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada. -Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary

05-22-2004, 03:33 PM	#14
Lycanthrope Deus Lupus Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The City of Angels Posts: 2,925	I've started an email, having sent it to several people, and told them to spread it farther. A responce I got from one of my friends a "liberal republican" who recieved this theory from a teacher of his merits posting here. It doesn't quite sound plausible, but then again it also sounds better than any other theory I've got for why they're doing this: Its a political move. The democratic senators proposed the bill so they could vote against it. They believe that even such a bill hitting the floor will cause such a political firestorm that it will cause a power-shift to democratic in the house and senate. It sounds paranoid, but the next best theory I have involves Illuminati and/or other megalomaniac secret societies. __________________ "With these seven easy steps, you, too, can be the authoritarian despot of your own principality. Machiavelli, your road to happiness" "I shoot Flying Monkies!" "Christmas had it coming its what it gets for taking over thanksgiving and threatening halloween with its weapons of mass consumerism" "Death to All Fanatics!" Official RP Action God Lycanthropic Poem "FOR YOU THE CAKE IS OVER. YOU HAVE REACHED THE END OF CAKE." -Death Krylo and BMG are apparently my bitches.

05-22-2004, 05:11 PM	#17
Lycanthrope Deus Lupus Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The City of Angels Posts: 2,925	Well, thats the thing. There's a rule of politics that presidents both get too much credit and too much blame for things that happen during their administration. This is congresses initiative. Of course, with Kerry in the office, I find it to be more likely that he'd veto such a bill, but reguardless. Its congress, not Bush. Which reminds me. If anyone has any SOLID information on why this bill was proposed in the first place, I'd like to know about it. __________________ "With these seven easy steps, you, too, can be the authoritarian despot of your own principality. Machiavelli, your road to happiness" "I shoot Flying Monkies!" "Christmas had it coming its what it gets for taking over thanksgiving and threatening halloween with its weapons of mass consumerism" "Death to All Fanatics!" Official RP Action God Lycanthropic Poem "FOR YOU THE CAKE IS OVER. YOU HAVE REACHED THE END OF CAKE." -Death Krylo and BMG are apparently my bitches.

05-22-2004, 07:10 PM	#18
Luna Santin Returned from the Nether Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 116	I do believe it's important to note that both of these bills are, I think, obviously dead in committee -- neither of them was acted on, and they were referred to committee over a year ago. Am I the only one who's thinking the entire idea was pidgeonholed? I do, however, find it interesting that the democrats (a) proposed this, (b) are likely to blame Republicans for it, and (c) aren't likely to catch much flak for it. EDITED: Some quick research tells me that the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Duncan Hunter, R-California, and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Commitee, John Warner, R-Virginia, both quite appear to have pidgeonholed the bills, thereby blocking them from further debate or voting. Republicans shooting down draft bills made by Democrats? Don't mind if I do. __________________ Make love, not traffic. Last edited by Luna Santin; 05-22-2004 at 08:10 PM.

05-22-2004, 03:38 PM	#15
Lucas Shotokan Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 529	but would they be stupid enough to not realize that people will track down the source of the bills? i dunno, that theory's got holes. if the republicans vote against it, and so do the democrats, the democrats lose out, because they fathered the bill, and if the republicans vote for it, they're granted the heavyweight idiot champion of the world title.

05-22-2004, 04:53 PM	#16
Ereinion Gil-galad Evil Drumstick of Doom! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philly Posts: 23	As Ytobn said, dont ask dont tell, If i am drafted I am going right in there and tellin them im gay so i wont gota go, plus I am completly apposed to this war, i didnt see any reason to attack Iraq, and I am not going to fight them, and about Afganistan, I havent heard anything about us fighting over there in a long time. This is just another reason NOT to re-elect Bush. I personally think, that if he institutes the draft, there will be many, many riots