Ultimate Spider Man: Peter Parker is dead, long live Spider-Man - Page 2

Magus · 08-05-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique

I would agree with this - Comic fans lean towards more liberal viewpoints like most nerdlings and are not exclusively white either. But then the discussion becomes that they are backing a bloated unchanging continuity for flimsy reasons which ultimately amount to the fact that they don't like change.

Yeah, exactly. That's what continuity nerds do.

I on the other hand thought stuff like Flashpoint with Wonder Woman and the Amazons invading London and Batman being Thomas Wayne who lost his son and wife in Crime Alley should probably just be the standard continuity for about 30 years because it was awesome, and most importantly, new.

Fifthfiend · 08-05-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique

Comic fans lean towards more liberal viewpoints like most nerdlings

uh

Kim · 08-05-2011, 12:26 PM

How is having a new Spiderman replace an old one, which is a thing that happens in comics all the time and has been accepted as a thing that has happened even with Spidey before, a violation of continuity, especially when the entire Ultimate Spidey series has been taking place in a different Marvel universe from word go anyways?

Nique · 08-05-2011, 01:04 PM

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uh

Well, maybe I'm more in that outer rim of geek culture in where we have, like, a modicum of good taste and common sense. Anyway, as I understand it, Comic books have often featured more progressive messages if they have a message at all, though it's often buried in political correctness. See: every comic book character's war on drugs special issue crossover extravaganza.

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Originally Posted by NonCon

How is having a new Spiderman replace an old one, which is a thing that happens in comics all the time and has been accepted as a thing that has happened even with Spidey before, a violation of continuity

It's not whereas interrupting the major hard-on for Peter Parker as every comic fan's Mary Sue might as well be.

EDIT: Not that I don't like Peter Parker! I mean, you are dealing with what was one of if not the most groundbreaking character of his era, and one of the most entertaining characters in the Ultimate universe, so it's understandable that people will miss him, but there is a kind of mass double-standard happening... I mean, Batman is just as iconic and as stupid as his recent death or time travel or whatever was, no one threw a fit like this.

Fifthfiend · 08-05-2011, 01:08 PM

War on drugs crossovers aren't liberal.

At least the vast majority of them that conclude that ~drugs are bad~

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-05-2011, 01:13 PM

Every superhero stops crime by application of extreme force rather than welfare and education programs. That's pretty much the opposite of liberal.

BitVyper · 08-05-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

How is having a new Spiderman replace an old one, which is a thing that happens in comics all the time and has been accepted as a thing that has happened even with Spidey before, a violation of continuity, especially when the entire Ultimate Spidey series has been taking place in a different Marvel universe from word go anyways?

In fairness, another thing that happens all the time is comic book fans freaking out over heroes getting replaced, so it's not like it's unique to Spiderblack. I mean Blackspider! I mean Darkieblack! Blackdark! BLACK! BLACK! BLACK!

Nique · 08-05-2011, 01:18 PM

I would consider anti-drug propaganda to be steeped in political correctness rather than belonging to strictly conservative causes though. I guess 'liberal' might be the wrong word as far as it's actual application but comics do tend to fall on the left side of social causes if they are mentioned at all.

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Every superhero stops crime by application of extreme force rather than welfare and education programs. That's pretty much the opposite of liberal.

Beating up bad guys is the cool part. Green Arrow lecturing Green Lantern on not saying things like 'you people' is the 'message' part.

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Spiderblack. I mean Blackspider! I mean Darkieblack! Blackdark! BLACK! BLACK! BLACK!

BitVyper · 08-05-2011, 01:20 PM

How is their characterization of drug users, dealers, and even drugs in general in any way politically correct?

Kim · 08-05-2011, 01:23 PM

I'd say it's pretty much the opposite!

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