The New 52

[Magus]

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

This is totally off-topic but have you read any of the New Krypton stuff from the past couple of years? There's this great scene where all the Kryptonians head out and start murdering Superman's enemies as a thank you for fixing Kandor only for him to freak the fuck out. And their reaction to his freak-out is priceless. They basically tell him, "We're just doing you a favor, man. You don't have to be a dick about it."

No, I haven't followed that, but I do remember that Justice League episode where the alternate dimension "Justice Lords" version of the heroes had made the world into a fabulous utopia by demolishing world governments and lobotomizing violent criminals like the Joker. The Justice League's response is to ruin their wonderful paradise 'cause "something something authoritarianism something something free will."

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

May I refer you back to the previous fork beard that went out of style hundreds of years ago.

Yeah but it went with his Robin Hood get-up. If they want to modernize him just give him a normal beard or fumanchu. Not muttonchops or an Amish beard or a neckbeard or whatever is going on there.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Magus

Yeah but it went with his Robin Hood get-up. If they want to modernize him just give him a normal beard or fumanchu. Not muttonchops or an Amish beard or a neckbeard or whatever is going on there.

Ollie's a douche! They gave him a douche beard! And millions of douches have that beard. It makes him less distinguishable than some crazy beard-strosity that no one in their right mind would wear in this day and age. Although there was a comic where some random dude with that same beard in Star City chewed out the Justice League which lends credence to the theory that Star City is loaded with douche bags with fork beards and-

Oh my, I've gone cross-eyed.

[Magus]

Can he really be more of a douche than Green Lantern in that comic, though?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Magus

Can he really be more of a douche than Green Lantern in that comic, though?

Have you read the solicitations? They're turning him into a globe-trotting douche who breaks the law in order to fight crimes on a whim. You were right, it's Smallville Ollie without the inherit likability or Clark to contrast him.

[Jagos]

So here's a question from the picture thread...

How is Supes a "shitty" character? I haven't followed the DC universe, merely knowing the characters. Yes, I know that he got married for a while to Lois Lane, but the interest in the DC uni is limited to only Batman and possibly Wonder Woman on the side.

I can't relate to Superman. He has a high moralistic background and he's been damn near godmoding Scott Summers for a while.

The Green Lantern I hadn't heard of until the movie... Yeah...

I remember watching Wonder Woman on TV so I've never seen why she's such a draw. I later found out she was done by a psychologist who modeled her after his wife and her mistress' relationship.

I think that's about it for the DC Uni for me.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Jagos

So here's a question from the picture thread...

How is Supes a "shitty" character?

Supes is old. Really old. Pretty much everything you could imagine doing with the character has been done. Twice. That and the nature of his abilities makes it really hard for writers to make him interesting. That's been averted recently with some very good arcs and series (All-Star Superman and New Krypton being stand-outs). He's just a hard character to get right so a lot of writer's don't even try or they end up going too far.

Originally Posted by Jagos

I can't relate to Superman. He has a high moralistic background and he's been damn near godmoding Scott Summers for a while.

This is a trap that a lot of people fall into. You're not really supposed to relate to Superman. You're supposed to relate to Clark Kent but sadly this side of Supes is ignored too often. Superman is supposed to be a role model. He's the guy you look up to as a beacon of hope. All-Star Superman is a good example of a writer taking Superman and Clark Kent and making them the same person (this might sound weird but it's hard to explain.

And Scott Summers is the most interesting and compelling character in all of X-Men. Anyone who says different is wrong.

Originally Posted by Jagos

The Green Lantern I hadn't heard of until the movie... Yeah...

Read Secret Origin if you can. If it doesn't make you like the character than nothing will so it'll save some time.

Originally Posted by Jagos

I remember watching Wonder Woman on TV so I've never seen why she's such a draw. I later found out she was done by a psychologist who modeled her after his wife and her mistress' relationship.

Oh, Wonder Woman... Another character that is almost never written well.

Originally Posted by Jagos

I think that's about it for the DC Uni for me.

If you want something awesome from the DCU that isn't superheroes you need to be reading Jonah Hex. He's being featured in All-Star Western during the relaunch and that's looking to be a good title.

[Magus]

I've also found things only tangentially related to the main comics are usually way better. Batman Beyond or Secret Six, for instance.

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

Have you read the solicitations? They're turning him into a globe-trotting douche who breaks the law in order to fight crimes on a whim. You were right, it's Smallville Ollie without the inherit likability or Clark to contrast him.

I dunno, that sounds exactly like Batman...and they're basically the same character with different costumes and motifs. I've said about a hundred times they should just team them up instead of bothering to have a separate Green Arrow comic. They can just write Bruce as the insufferable conservative and Ollie as the bleeding heart liberal. Wacky hijinks ensue.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Magus

I dunno, that sounds exactly like Batman...and they're basically the same character with different costumes and motifs. I've said about a hundred times they should just team them up instead of bothering to have a separate Green Arrow comic. They can just write Bruce as the insufferable conservative and Ollie as the bleeding heart liberal. Wacky hijinks ensue.

Batman as a conservative? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No. NO!

And they're not the same. Bruce fights crime in Gotham because he has been psychologically scarred. Ollie runs around being a dick because he's a dick who just so happens to have dead parents.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

This is a trap that a lot of people fall into. You're not really supposed to relate to Superman. You're supposed to relate to Clark Kent but sadly this side of Supes is ignored too often. Superman is supposed to be a role model. He's the guy you look up to as a beacon of hope. All-Star Superman is a good example of a writer taking Superman and Clark Kent and making them the same person (this might sound weird but it's hard to explain.

That's the problem. He's non-existant. There's maybe ONE comic about Clark Kent. If anything, Spiderman is a flawed character. But the movies never talk about Kent except how he's the alter ego of Superman. I can relate to Spidey because of how effectively different Spidey is from Peter Parker. Balancing the life of a superhero is rough. I just don't see where Supes actually suffers or complains.

And Scott Summers is the most interesting and compelling character in all of X-Men. Anyone who says different is wrong.

BWAAAHAHAHAHA... Oh wait, you're serious.

I'll laugh harder.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Ok, on a serious note. His powers are great. His character is that of a brown nosing boyscout, hence the comparison to Supes. He might be a great tactical leader, but I just can't stand how much of a Marty Stu character he is! He always knows the right thing to do, what people should do...

Ok, I'll make it simple. The Boyscout characters are just a pain in the ass overall. They come so close to preaching to the audience, it's a reason I don't use them in my stories. I like a flaw here or there, that says "damn, I fucked up". The Scott and Wolvie wars are good for them, but it always seems that Scott is always preaching to someone which just annoys me. "You have to do X" "Over here, do Y!"

GRRR!

If you want something awesome from the DCU that isn't superheroes you need to be reading Jonah Hex. He's being featured in All-Star Western during the relaunch and that's looking to be a good title.

I sincerely hope that it's better than the movie... DC just does NOT make good movies unless it has Batman.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Jagos

That's the problem. He's non-existant. There's maybe ONE comic about Clark Kent. If anything, Spiderman is a flawed character. But the movies never talk about Kent except how he's the alter ego of Superman. I can relate to Spidey because of how effectively different Spidey is from Peter Parker. Balancing the life of a superhero is rough. I just don't see where Supes actually suffers or complains.



BWAAAHAHAHAHA... Oh wait, you're serious.

I'll laugh harder.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Ok, on a serious note. His powers are great. His character is that of a brown nosing boyscout, hence the comparison to Supes. He might be a great tactical leader, but I just can't stand how much of a Marty Stu character he is! He always knows the right thing to do, what people should do...

Boyscout? Cyclops as a boyscout? Okay, now it's my turn to laugh at you.

We're talking about the same guy that has taken to assassinating anyone that could pose a threat to mutant-kind and has made more unpopular decisions than you can shake a fist at, right? He's done shit that even Wolverine doesn't think is alright.

Cyclops ain't no boyscout. He's the leader of an endangered species out to make sure nothing fucks with them.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Jagos

That's the problem. He's non-existant. There's maybe ONE comic about Clark Kent. If anything, Spiderman is a flawed character. But the movies never talk about Kent except how he's the alter ego of Superman. I can relate to Spidey because of how effectively different Spidey is from Peter Parker. Balancing the life of a superhero is rough. I just don't see where Supes actually suffers or complains.

NEW. KRYPTON.