[DISCUSS] Gaston is better than the Beast - Page 2

Ecks · 12-22-2011, 04:04 PM

Guys guys guys guys guys guys guys.
Guys.

Guys.

No wait, seriously.

Wait.

Guys wait.

What if - wait a sec, listen guys.

What if...

What if Beauty and the Beast is a story about how love conquers all?

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS I just blew my own mind.

EDIT: Okay guys, I'll admit to being slightly inebriated when typing this post and not actually entertaining the idea that this was going to be a serious thread. I'm leaving the post in its entirety to ensure maximum embarrassment and harassment for my folly, just letting you guys know I actually came back to this and realized with horror what I'd posted.

Fifthfiend · 12-22-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor

Guys guys guys guys guys guys guys.
Guys.

Guys.

No wait, seriously.

Wait.

Guys wait.

What if - wait a sec, listen guys.

What if...

What if Beauty and the Beast is a story about how love conquers all?

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS I just blew my own mind.

Sorry for making you uncomfortable by thinking about things and then talking about them.

Solid Snake · 12-22-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor

What if Beauty and the Beast is a story about how love conquers all?

Apparently "love conquers all" now translates into "if you're a woman you better damn well love your man regardless of how much of an abusive jackass he is, maybe eventually he'll come around and stop treating you like his personal possession."

Dammit Fifth don't pseudo-ninja me.

EDIT: At least I ninja'd Liz.

Kim · 12-22-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor

What if Beauty and the Beast is a story about how love conquers all?

That wouldn't change its horrifying moral lesson being that if you love your abusive boyfriend enough he will stop being an abusive monster.

IHateMakingNames · 12-22-2011, 04:28 PM

But only if he's rich. Gaston didn't have his own castle.

Kim · 12-22-2011, 04:30 PM

I think it's pretty clear that the point of this thread is that he should have.

stefan · 12-22-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Liz

That wouldn't change its horrifying moral lesson being that if you love your abusive boyfriend enough he will stop being an abusive monster.

you do realize that the Beast turning back into a human was supposed to be His reward for no longer being an asshole, rather than Belle's reward for putting up with him, right?

Kim · 12-22-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stefan

you do realize that the Beast turning back into a human was supposed to be His reward for no longer being an asshole, rather than Belle's reward for putting up with him, right?

So what your saying is that if you put up with your abusive boyfriend long enough, maybe his life will improve?

Beauty and the Beast: More fucked up than I originally thought.

Solid Snake · 12-22-2011, 04:46 PM

Stefan actually more or less seems to be implying what I perceive Beauty and the Beast's creators intended to imply, which is that the story was entirely about The Beast and Belle was an ancillary character, and The Beast's personal growth was all that really mattered and whatever Belle may have thought or felt during his growth was unimportant because she's a woman she can just tolerate it and stop getting in the way of Beast's happy story, Belle.

...Which is pretty much how I think the predominantly-male crew in Disney just perceived the world at the time. It wasn't so much intending to thrust Belle into an abusive relationship as it merely intended to tell a story about a man because stories in a male-dominated society are about men, and Belle's just a bit piece in that context because she's just supposed to help Beast advance from point A to point B, and we as viewers (even female viewers) are supposed to solely relate to and define our experience in the context of The Beast because he is The Main Character.

EDIT: To clarify, in the prologue of the story The Beast is introduced as The Main Character and, narratively speaking, despite any attention given to Belle, the story is basically about The Beast's transformation which is never in doubt because he is The Protagonist and therefore he is going to become a very good person by the end of the story and this is taken for granted. The problem for a woman viewing this is that, if a girl grows up actually believing that the real world works like Beauty and the Beast does, she's going to assume in the context of any abusive relationship that her boyfriend is still The Protagonist, and there's dire ramifications that stem from that. Because The Beast's transformation into a genuinely good person is never in doubt, Belle can act irrationally and against her own interests as the narrative demands of her insofar as her sole purpose is to enable The Beast's transformation and beyond that she is not an independent character because she functions solely to act as a love interest to Beast. Therefore when Beast is an abusive ass, she does not do what any sane person should because the narrative is not about what Belle should be thinking or feeling or doing in response to being abused.

Locke cole · 12-22-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Also, Belle should have totally pretended to wuv Beast to break the curse and help out all those innocent people trapped in it,

Pretty sure that pretending wouldn't have broken jack shit, because of magic.

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IHateMakingNames Awwwwh Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12,119	But only if he's rich. Gaston didn't have his own castle. __________________ "If I'm reincarnated, I want to be Musashi again!" - Musashi, Brave Fencer Musashi

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Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	I think it's pretty clear that the point of this thread is that he should have. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

12-22-2011, 04:46 PM	#19
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Stefan actually more or less seems to be implying what I perceive Beauty and the Beast's creators intended to imply, which is that the story was entirely about The Beast and Belle was an ancillary character, and The Beast's personal growth was all that really mattered and whatever Belle may have thought or felt during his growth was unimportant because she's a woman she can just tolerate it and *stop getting in the way of Beast's happy story, Belle.* ...Which is pretty much how I think the predominantly-male crew in Disney just perceived the world at the time. It wasn't so much intending to thrust Belle into an abusive relationship as it merely intended to tell a story about a man because stories in a male-dominated society are about men, and Belle's just a bit piece in that context because she's just supposed to help Beast advance from point A to point B, and we as viewers (even female viewers) are supposed to solely relate to and define our experience in the context of The Beast because he is The Main Character. EDIT: To clarify, in the prologue of the story The Beast is introduced as The Main Character and, narratively speaking, despite any attention given to Belle, the story is basically about The Beast's transformation which is never in doubt because he is The Protagonist and therefore he is going to become a very good person by the end of the story and this is taken for granted. The problem for a woman viewing this is that, if a girl grows up actually believing that the real world works like *Beauty and the Beast* does, she's going to assume in the context of any abusive relationship that her boyfriend is still The Protagonist, and there's dire ramifications that stem from that. Because The Beast's transformation into a genuinely good person is *never in doubt,* Belle can act irrationally and against her own interests as the narrative demands of her insofar as her sole purpose is to enable The Beast's transformation and beyond that she is not an independent character because she functions solely to act as a love interest to Beast. Therefore when Beast is an abusive ass, she does not do what any sane person should because the narrative is not about what Belle should be thinking or feeling or doing in response to being abused. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text. Last edited by Solid Snake; 12-22-2011 at 04:53 PM.