No One Gives A Shit About That Climate Change Thing That's Going to Kill Us All

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

The only thing I dislike about that argument is the fact that gives even a moment's worth of hypothetical consideration to the possibility that global warming is, in fact, a bullshit hoax.

Let me just start off by saying that I'm for more environmentally-friendly technology and practices (just not to massively politicize something by slapping "Green" on the title regardless of whether or not it actually helps), so that I my viewpoint isn't misunderstood.

The luxury of precise and worldwide climate data has not existed long enough to properly settle the dispute of whether this shift of climate is a recurring trend or a snowballing disaster caused by CO2 excess, and will require more time to settle.

Modern-day society is not environmentally-friendly, and that is something that should definitely be changed using our technology and resources. My disagreement with the environmentalist point of view is that it is 100% our fault that climate is changing, and also with the way that it sometimes gets overpoliticized.

[Aerozord]

this is something that occured to me

Its not disputing CO2 producing green house effect, just a thought that there might be another factor. Basically all the energy we use is ultimately transfered into heat. Computers, TVs, lights, engines (kinetic energy pales compared to energy to overcome friction) all becomes heat and we use something like 80% of what the earth receives from the sun per day.

Thats alot of extra heat

[Amake]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

The luxury of precise and worldwide climate data has not existed long enough to properly settle the dispute of whether this shift of climate is a recurring trend or a snowballing disaster caused by CO2 excess, and will require more time to settle.

Well, we do know we're in a significantly more extreme warming period than anything that's happened since the Earth's biosphere gained its current form, and it started just around the time of the industrial revolution. Maybe it's a coincidence and we are making a finer world without really needing to, but I don't want to wait 50 000 years to find out just in case.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Let me just start off by saying that I'm for more environmentally-friendly technology and practices (just not to massively politicize something by slapping "Green" on the title regardless of whether or not it actually helps), so that I my viewpoint isn't misunderstood.

The luxury of precise and worldwide climate data has not existed long enough to properly settle the dispute of whether this shift of climate is a recurring trend or a snowballing disaster caused by CO2 excess, and will require more time to settle.

Modern-day society is not environmentally-friendly, and that is something that should definitely be changed using our technology and resources. My disagreement with the environmentalist point of view is that it is 100% our fault that climate is changing, and also with the way that it sometimes gets overpoliticized.

I'd just like to say this is actually mostly not true, There have studies done on the effects increasing CO2 would have on global climat since 1890. Smarty can probably help with this more but a fairly prominent physicist of the time said that a doubling of Co2 would cause temperature globally to increase by a certain amount and his predictions actually bare out in how temperatures have risen over the last 120 years.

We don't have time 'Let the science settle it' for several reasons firstly it's not true scientific consensus overwhelming supports the case that not only are we responsible for global warming but that in actual fact we are doing so at such an unprecdented rate we are destroying the planets buffers that would ordinary deal with one off spikes in CO2 or temperature due to other causes.

Secondly we simply don't have time the effects are already now being felt and they will only snowball from here we have been adding CO2 to the air since the beginnings of the industrial revolution.

Lastly It is entirely our fault, many people cannot concieve of how this is possible after all the earth is such an enormous place and each one of us is such a small and tiny speck compared to it. Well here is the thing, technology has allowed us to hit vastly above our weight. we burn through ninety million barrels of crude oil a day. To give you an idea of the volume of that this would take up a single barrel is 40 gallons of crude.

To put that in perspective we burn 5,454 Olympic sized swimming pools of crude oil per day or 1,990,909 in a year.

The amount of crude oil we use only goes up with time.

Originally Posted by Aerozord

this is something that occured to me

Its not disputing CO2 producing green house effect, just a thought that there might be another factor. Basically all the energy we use is ultimately transfered into heat. Computers, TVs, lights, engines (kinetic energy pales compared to energy to overcome friction) all becomes heat and we use something like 80% of what the earth receives from the sun per day.

Thats alot of extra heat

We already have precise data for total heat energy coming into the earth due to the sun, i'm unwilling to run the numbers but total energy output of humanity in terms of heat energy given via all technology since forever amounts to less than a months sunlight that hits the earth and more like less than a week.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Let me just start off by saying that I'm for more environmentally-friendly technology and practices (just not to massively politicize something by slapping "Green" on the title regardless of whether or not it actually helps), so that I my viewpoint isn't misunderstood.

The luxury of precise and worldwide climate data has not existed long enough to properly settle the dispute of whether this shift of climate is a recurring trend or a snowballing disaster caused by CO2 excess, and will require more time to settle.

Modern-day society is not environmentally-friendly, and that is something that should definitely be changed using our technology and resources. My disagreement with the environmentalist point of view is that it is 100% our fault that climate is changing, and also with the way that it sometimes gets overpoliticized.

Do you ring up physicists and be like "You can't see the Higgs boson- how do you know that it exists".
There is strong scientific consensus that temperature is increasin and that it is our fault. Every major scientific body agrees with this position, there is no counter model which can explain the warming we have seen in the drastically short time since the industrial revolution. What the fuck more do you want.

[Sifright]

Edit: original figure was wrong and was for total weight of carbon burned in billions of tonnes.

Infact the estimates are that we have burned over 900 billion barrels of oil since extraction began in 1870.

900 billion barrels is 36,000,000,000,000 *36 trillion gallons of oil*

36 Trillion gallons of oil is 136,363,636,363 Cubic meters of oil *136 billion*

136,363,636,363 Cubic meters of oil is 136.3 cubic kilometres.

to understand that sheer amount of oil here imagine that your entire city is submerged under a kilometer block of of oil
or another way to imagine it is that 10% of the entirety of london is submerged under a block of oil kilometre tall.

[Azisien]

NPF should collaborate on a generic letter that we can all send to MPs and distribute to others imploring action on climate change.

Or we can acknowledge that hope is dead and get drunk and have a good time while the ship is crashing.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Azisien

NPF should collaborate on a generic letter that we can all send to MPs and distribute to others imploring action on climate change.

Or we can acknowledge that hope is dead and get drunk and have a good time while the ship is crashing.

I like this idea, I suggested something similar in the past, I don't really feel confidant in writing that letter though simply because I don't feel I'm capable of writing in a persuasive manner. That I do so here is only because I have a captive audience :P

[Azisien]

Well, an environmental lawyer did start this thread. And others on the forum are rather articulate. We talk a big game here at NPF, but can we CHANGE THE WORLD (before it changes, and kills us)?

[Aerozord]

personally I think we should focus on co2 removing technology. I heard someone say that even if all co2 emissions stopped, today, it would take a few centuries for the Earth to recover naturally. In other words simply reducing it wont help, we need to reverse this if we dont want to be screwed.