Lost in Translation Somewhere in Timbuktu... - Page 2

greed · 10-02-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

So, you're cool with the fact that they went, "Hahahaha that's hilarious" to the fact that the story got picked up in Iran, where these people being murdered live, and was reported to them as real news?

Like, imagine for a moment. These people are being murdered for being gay, and they see a news report, straight out of America, "They think that we're way better than them, and that it's great what's happening to gay people here." That is revolting and sickening.

Yeah some Iranian newspaper taking it seriously is funny, sorry you got no sense of humour dude. You gotta laugh at shit like this and not take everything so seriously.

Marc v4.0 · 10-02-2012, 02:02 AM

I'm not sure where you are getting "HAHAHA! LOOK AT THEM KILL ALL THOSE HOMOS!" from "Hahaha, wow they thought it was a real news article, how goddamn stupid do you really have to be?"

The logical leaps and bounds, the dancing around reality and completely ignoring any and all context... truly stunning work.

EDIT: The point of the article is that people are so completely fucking lost that they would willingly elect a murderer or tyrant just to avoid electing "that there black man and his homosexual supporters" and these people are JOKES THAT SHOULD BE RIDICULED AND LAUGHED AT INSTEAD OF BEING CATERED TO.

Yes, It is pretty terrible that people in a country that actually murders gay people got it reported to them as a legitimate thing that we are reporting instead of a joke article that is making fun of their shit government and our shit government/public. Jumping through hoops to somehow pin The Onion with the blame for another group across the world lying about them is just pissing your rage at your own head.

Loyal · 10-02-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

I'm pretty much pointing my finger everywhere, because I don't know where exactly it's supposed to go right now.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps you should then point it at nobody? This right here should have told you to sit back and chill the fuck out till you had a better grasp on the situation. The shotgun approach to blaming and shaming won't get you anywhere.

Flarecobra · 10-02-2012, 08:05 AM

You know, I may not have the best sense of humor, but even I found this a bit funny. It's like Iran is desprate for anything that puts them in a better light then the US it seems or something.

Magus · 10-02-2012, 08:36 AM

I didn't take the joke as about how Ahmadinejad was killing gay (homosexual) protestors specifically, the joke was the made-up redneck caricature was calling protestors gay (because they are protestors, not because of actual homosexuality), and then applauding Ahmadinejad for oppressively putting down protests with impunity, as opposed to Obama who does not oppressively put down protests with impunity. The point was the ignorance of the redneck caricature representing the average American, not Iran's intolerance of gay people.

Basically it's saying the average rural white American has the mindset of a teenage boy on XBOX Live, hating on the gay hippie commie protestors and loving Ahmadinejad for not putting up with any of that horsecrap like Obummer, who they hate irrationally to the point of liking Ahmadinejad better.

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Originally Posted by The Onion

CHARLESTON, WV�According to the results of a Gallup poll released Monday, the overwhelming majority of rural white Americans said they would rather vote for Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than U.S. president Barack Obama. �I like him better,� said West Virginia resident Dale Swiderski, who, along with 77 percent of rural Caucasian voters, confirmed he would much rather go to a baseball game or have a beer with Ahmadinejad, a man who has repeatedly denied the Holocaust and has had numerous political prisoners executed, than spend time with Obama. �He takes national defense seriously, and he�d never let some gay protesters tell him how to run his country like Obama does.� According to the same Gallup poll, 60 percent of rural whites said they at least respected that Ahmadinejad doesn�t try to hide the fact that he�s Muslim.

Really the people who should be offended are rural whites since not all of them are irrational haters of Obama to the point they would prefer a dictator...although if it were "77% hate him" then...probably yeah.

What I really wonder about the effect of this article is if this fake article was what Ahmadinejad was referring to when he replied to an implication from a reporter that he was unpopular in the West and the United States that he was actually quite popular with the average American, and "if you ask the man on the street here in New York, you may realize quite differently, that U.S. citizens like me", OR if this satirical article was merely a response to him saying that. I don't know the date of when this was posted versus when he said that, but it was around the time of the U.N. General Assembly that he made that statement, so if that article is older maybe that is what gave him the hilarious idea that the average American likes him.

Magus · 10-02-2012, 09:18 AM

Oh, and about how this is making light of something quite serious--that's the essence of satire, I'm afraid. Why do you think when teaching people about satire we most often refer to A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift, a treatise about how the impoverished, starving Irish masses, kept in perpetual near-slavery by English landlords, should solve their hunger issues by eating their own children? It's so when you see a parody like this you aren't as taken aback as you might otherwise be.

Marelo · 10-02-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

I'm pretty much pointing my finger everywhere, because I don't know where exactly it's supposed to go right now. I just know that something about this feels definitely wrong to do, especially to just laugh about it when the oppressed people in question are given the article as real news.

The joke requires making light of the murder of gay citizens, and I don't think they should be doing that.

Just to clear this up, RPG was replying here to a post I made and deleted before he replied. Basically I said the joke requires an assumption that Ahmadinejad's regime is horrific to even make sense, so he's pointing his finger at the wrong part of the issue. The idea that The Onion is applauding the murder of gay people is a pretty big stretch.

I probably shouldn't have deleted it!

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-02-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Oh, and about how this is making light of something quite serious--that's the essence of satire, I'm afraid. Why do you think when teaching people about satire we most often refer to A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift, a treatise about how the impoverished, starving Irish masses, kept in perpetual near-slavery by English landlords, should solve their hunger issues by eating their own children? It's so when you see a parody like this you aren't as taken aback as you might otherwise be.

Not just eating their own children, but creating an entire industry based around the production of baby meat as a luxury product.

Premmy · 10-02-2012, 06:45 PM

The worst part about this discussion is that the legitimate point about the "And noone died when this fictional image that would be offensive to X Other religions" being really shitty has been lost.

Magus · 10-02-2012, 07:24 PM

We talked about how shitty that one was already in that other topic about its shittiness, though.

10-02-2012, 02:02 AM	#12
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	I'm not sure where you are getting "HAHAHA! LOOK AT THEM KILL ALL THOSE HOMOS!" from "Hahaha, wow they thought it was a real news article, how goddamn stupid do you really have to be?" The logical leaps and bounds, the dancing around reality and completely ignoring any and all context... truly stunning work. EDIT: The point of the article is that people are so completely fucking lost that they would willingly elect a murderer or tyrant just to avoid electing "that there black man and his homosexual supporters" and these people are JOKES THAT SHOULD BE RIDICULED AND LAUGHED AT INSTEAD OF BEING CATERED TO. Yes, It is pretty terrible that people in a country that actually murders gay people got it reported to them as a legitimate thing that we are reporting instead of a joke article that is making fun of their shit government and our shit government/public. Jumping through hoops to somehow pin The Onion with the blame for another group across the world lying about them is just pissing your rage at your own head. __________________ Last edited by Marc v4.0; 10-02-2012 at 02:29 AM.

10-02-2012, 08:05 AM	#14
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	You know, I may not have the best sense of humor, but even I found this a bit funny. It's like Iran is desprate for anything that puts them in a better light then the US it seems or something. __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

10-02-2012, 06:45 PM	#19
Premmy Stop the hate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a nice web on fifty first street Posts: 4,466	The worst part about this discussion is that the legitimate point about the "And noone died when this fictional image that would be offensive to X Other religions" being really shitty has been lost. __________________ Drank

10-02-2012, 09:18 AM	#16
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Oh, and about how this is making light of something quite serious--that's the essence of satire, I'm afraid. Why do you think when teaching people about satire we most often refer to A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift, a treatise about how the impoverished, starving Irish masses, kept in perpetual near-slavery by English landlords, should solve their hunger issues by eating their own children? It's so when you see a parody like this you aren't as taken aback as you might otherwise be.

10-02-2012, 07:24 PM	#20
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	We talked about how shitty that one was already in that other topic about its shittiness, though.