In Other Election News: Gay Marriage Probably Legal in Three More States - Page 2

Krylo · 11-07-2012, 03:18 AM

Excellent work, America.

Aerozord · 11-07-2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Excellent work, America.

nah its clearly photoshopped. Otherwise this would be evidence that the system works and voting can create change in our country.

Professor Smarmiarty · 11-07-2012, 03:32 AM

I don't know, how well does it stack up against a couple hundred years of spiralling income disparity, continued oppression of the poor and the weak, and a staggeringly inefficient economy fuelled by waste being profitable?
Like the fact that this is on the ballot in 2012 is clear evidence the system doesn't work

Kim · 11-07-2012, 06:47 AM

Well, the entirety of mankind is going to die as a result of our refusal to push progressive energy policies, a mass murderer was just elected President of the United States, and over 100,000 homeless people are going to die under that murderer's watch over the course of the next four years. Trans men and women can't be recognized as the gender they are in many states, and even then they're often forced to undergo surgeries that not every trans person wants to undergo to do so. Gays, lesbians, and trans people still don't have the appropriate marriage protections on a federal level. Women still make substantially less than men. Doubly so if they aren't white women. You have to be married to experience some government benefits. The police state is continuing to grow. US citizens are still horribly under-educated and lied to by government institutions. The drug war is still continuing. US still has the highest incarceration rate of any country. And on and on and on the list goes.

The system doesn't work. Some of the people who are operating within the system are just less terrible people than those before them. Even that is not a sign of the system working, unless you've somehow convinced yourself that all progress over the course of human history was the result of democracy.

The system's fucked.

EDIT CUZ FUCK PROP 35: Oh, and your "working" system just decided that anyone sharing residence with a sex worker is a sex offender. The system is bullshit.

Kyanbu The Legend · 11-07-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim

Well, the entirety of mankind is going to die as a result of our refusal to push progressive energy policies, a mass murderer was just elected President of the United States, and over 100,000 homeless people are going to die under that murderer's watch over the course of the next four years. Trans men and women can't be recognized as the gender they are in many states, and even then they're often forced to undergo surgeries that not every trans person wants to undergo to do so. Gays, lesbians, and trans people still don't have the appropriate marriage protections on a federal level. Women still make substantially less than men. Doubly so if they aren't white women. You have to be married to experience some government benefits. The police state is continuing to grow. US citizens are still horribly under-educated and lied to by government institutions. The drug war is still continuing. US still has the highest incarceration rate of any country. And on and on and on the list goes.

The system doesn't work. Some of the people who are operating within the system are just less terrible people than those before them. Even that is not a sign of the system working, unless you've somehow convinced yourself that all progress over the course of human history was the result of democracy.

The system's fucked.

EDIT CUZ FUCK PROP 35: Oh, and your "working" system just decided that anyone sharing residence with a sex worker is a sex offender. The system is bullshit.

Most folks know this by now.

RobinStarwing · 11-07-2012, 10:24 AM

Backwards state? I live here dammit!

But anyways, it is a firm NO on limiting the right to marry in our state and enshrining discrimination into the State Constitution. It was a close call but the assholes who ran the Yes Campaign are defeated. I personally blame their campaign for the loss they suffered as not only was it highly negative (and in some cases misleading). Also, their ads talking about how people should decide about marriage, not government ran right before the ads for Vote No on this shit which talked also talked about people getting to make this choice and how this would put a discriminatory amendment into the constitution.

Solid Snake · 11-07-2012, 11:02 AM

Yeah, Kim, it's still bad out there.
It still won't stop me from breathing a massive sigh of relief and feeling grateful to the American people that we've avoided even worse outcomes.

...And the demographics are encouraging. Our culture is swinging left. We're gradually morphing into something more progressive.
(It probably won't be soon enough to avoid the awful consequences of climate change -- this is a classic people of America doing too little, too late.)

I mean I get that you're cynical and bitter and you have every reason to be --- I am not trying to blindly delude anyone into accepting a precariously awful status quo -- but don't you think we can celebrate the few things we're getting right, that seemed absolutely impossible to accomplish in America a decade or two ago?

I dunno. I guess what I'm saying is, there are 360+ other days in the year when NPF can, and inevitably will, remain its extremely acerbic, pessimistic, cynical self. But last night we avoided a future with a President Romney, we didn't give senate seats to pathetic misogynists in Akin and Mourdock, McMahon couldn't buy a seat in Connecticut, Eliazbeth Warren -- perhaps the most progressive voice in the new senate -- beat Scott Brown, Dems won Senate seats in a year when they were expected by every political pundit to lose them, every state that had the opportunity made proper decisions about gay marriage, marijuana's gonna be legal in Colorado, children of undocumented immigrants will now be allowed in-state tuition fees for colleges in Maryland, and the folks on Fox News are wiping tears from their eyes and having mental breakdowns.

I can't force you to be happy about all this, and you have every right to continue to adhere to the accurate view that America and the world are still fucked. But you don't have to rag on those of us who are happy about this. We all know the reality checks. We all know, deep down inside, that all America's really done is accept lesser evils.

I don't think any of us are delusional enough to believe that this election erases all of America's issues, and next week I'll go right back to bitching about Obama's civilian-killing drones and climate change and rape culture. But for now? The American people have pleasantly surprised me. I don't see any problem in celebrating that.

Kyanbu The Legend · 11-07-2012, 11:58 AM

There is nothing America can do to erase it's issues. Nothing can change the past nor what happened sadly.

Honestly I think the country vanishing of the face of the planet or dispanding wouldn't even make up for the damage in the eyes of the world.

Aerozord · 11-07-2012, 12:16 PM

Average persons standard of living is vastly better than it was 100 years ago.

Worker conditions are better

Violent crimes have been steadily dropping for over half a century.

Women and minorities can now vote and hold jobs

EPA regulations are higher

Alternative energy is becoming more common

Animal rights is a thing that exists now

Feel free to complain that the world isn't perfect, its the only way it will get better. But stop acting like its so horrible. Your grandparents lived in hellholes compared to the life you enjoy right now. You never had to deal with slavery, plague, or child labor. Hell the younger members of this forum probably dont even know what its like to not have access to a global communications network.

We said progress, not victory. We all know there is still work to do, but just as we shouldn't be content with how things are it is just as harmful to toss our hands up and go "no reason to try it will be horrible forever". Even if there is no hope, frankly I'd rather fail trying to make things better than fail because I didn't try at all.

pochercoaster · 11-07-2012, 12:49 PM

I wonder at what point saying "system's fucked" meant "no reason to try it will be horrible forever." But I don't want to hijack someone else's post since that's just my interpretation of it.

I also wonder at what point listing the multitude of ways in which the system is fucked means "bitter" and "cynical" instead of realistic.

11-07-2012, 03:18 AM	#11
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Excellent work, America. __________________ I am very tired.

11-07-2012, 06:47 AM	#14
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Well, the entirety of mankind is going to die as a result of our refusal to push progressive energy policies, a mass murderer was just elected President of the United States, and over 100,000 homeless people are going to die under that murderer's watch over the course of the next four years. Trans men and women can't be recognized as the gender they are in many states, and even then they're often forced to undergo surgeries that not every trans person wants to undergo to do so. Gays, lesbians, and trans people still don't have the appropriate marriage protections on a federal level. Women still make substantially less than men. Doubly so if they aren't white women. You have to be married to experience some government benefits. The police state is continuing to grow. US citizens are still horribly under-educated and lied to by government institutions. The drug war is still continuing. US still has the highest incarceration rate of any country. And on and on and on the list goes. The system doesn't work. Some of the people who are operating within the system are just less terrible people than those before them. Even that is not a sign of the system working, unless you've somehow convinced yourself that all progress over the course of human history was the result of democracy. The system's fucked. EDIT CUZ FUCK PROP 35: Oh, and your "working" system just decided that anyone sharing residence with a sex worker is a sex offender. The system is bullshit. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy Last edited by Kim; 11-07-2012 at 06:53 AM.

11-07-2012, 10:24 AM	#16
RobinStarwing C.M.B.A.S.O.B Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Everywhere until you look at me. Posts: 737	Backwards state? I live here dammit! But anyways, it is a firm NO on limiting the right to marry in our state and enshrining discrimination into the State Constitution. It was a close call but the assholes who ran the Yes Campaign are defeated. I personally blame their campaign for the loss they suffered as not only was it highly negative (and in some cases misleading). Also, their ads talking about how people should decide about marriage, not government ran right before the ads for Vote No on this shit which talked also talked about people getting to make this choice and how this would put a discriminatory amendment into the constitution. __________________ *NPF's resident Crazy Magnificent Bastard Ass Son Of A Bitch (CMBASOB)* Accept No Substitutes Also known as "The Least Interesting Man in The World" according to multiple surveys

11-07-2012, 11:02 AM	#17
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Yeah, Kim, it's still bad out there. It still won't stop me from breathing a massive sigh of relief and feeling grateful to the American people that we've avoided even worse outcomes. ...And the demographics are encouraging. Our culture is swinging left. We're gradually morphing into something more progressive. (It probably won't be soon enough to avoid the awful consequences of climate change -- this is a classic people of America doing too little, too late.) I mean I get that you're cynical and bitter and you have every reason to be --- I am not trying to blindly delude anyone into accepting a precariously awful status quo -- but don't you think we can celebrate the few things we're getting right, that seemed absolutely impossible to accomplish in America a decade or two ago? I dunno. I guess what I'm saying is, there are 360+ other days in the year when NPF can, and inevitably will, remain its extremely acerbic, pessimistic, cynical self. But last night we avoided a future with a President Romney, we didn't give senate seats to pathetic misogynists in Akin and Mourdock, McMahon couldn't buy a seat in Connecticut, Eliazbeth Warren -- perhaps the most progressive voice in the new senate -- beat Scott Brown, Dems won Senate seats in a year when they were expected by every political pundit to lose them, every state that had the opportunity made proper decisions about gay marriage, marijuana's gonna be legal in Colorado, children of undocumented immigrants will now be allowed in-state tuition fees for colleges in Maryland, and the folks on Fox News are wiping tears from their eyes and having mental breakdowns. I can't force you to be happy about all this, and you have every right to continue to adhere to the accurate view that America and the world are still fucked. But you don't have to rag on those of us who are happy about this. We all know the reality checks. We all know, deep down inside, that all America's really done is accept lesser evils. I don't think any of us are delusional enough to believe that this election erases all of America's issues, and next week I'll go right back to bitching about Obama's civilian-killing drones and climate change and rape culture. But for now? The American people have pleasantly surprised me. I don't see any problem in celebrating that. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

11-07-2012, 11:58 AM	#18
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	There is nothing America can do to erase it's issues. Nothing can change the past nor what happened sadly. Honestly I think the country vanishing of the face of the planet or dispanding wouldn't even make up for the damage in the eyes of the world. __________________

11-07-2012, 03:32 AM	#13
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I don't know, how well does it stack up against a couple hundred years of spiralling income disparity, continued oppression of the poor and the weak, and a staggeringly inefficient economy fuelled by waste being profitable? Like the fact that this is on the ballot in 2012 is clear evidence the system doesn't work

11-07-2012, 12:16 PM	#19
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	Average persons standard of living is vastly better than it was 100 years ago. Worker conditions are better Violent crimes have been steadily dropping for over half a century. Women and minorities can now vote and hold jobs EPA regulations are higher Alternative energy is becoming more common Animal rights is a thing that exists now Feel free to complain that the world isn't perfect, its the only way it will get better. But stop acting like its so horrible. Your grandparents lived in hellholes compared to the life you enjoy right now. You never had to deal with slavery, plague, or child labor. Hell the younger members of this forum probably dont even know what its like to not have access to a global communications network. We said progress, not victory. We all know there is still work to do, but just as we shouldn't be content with how things are it is just as harmful to toss our hands up and go "no reason to try it will be horrible forever". Even if there is no hope, frankly I'd rather fail trying to make things better than fail because I didn't try at all. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

11-07-2012, 12:49 PM	#20
pochercoaster rollerpocher tycoon Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,808	I wonder at what point saying "system's fucked" meant "no reason to try it will be horrible forever." But I don't want to hijack someone else's post since that's just my interpretation of it. I also wonder at what point listing the multitude of ways in which the system is fucked means "bitter" and "cynical" instead of realistic.