A Year of Living Gay - Page 2

Kyanbu The Legend · 12-04-2012, 02:35 PM

Given his back ground and the people he's usually around. Finding his answer might not have been too easy.

Remember this is a guy who was practically programmed since birth to believe that the LGBT community was evil.

I agree that his method of doing this was questionable and will rub quite a large number of people on both sides the wrong way. However It still had a good result in the sense that he realized that LGBT are people too, and the friends he's made there seem to still be friends with him even after this reveal. Lie or not, it seems the friendships he formed there were true. The whole book deal thing is questionable but atleast he's helping out with funding the LGBT rights groups with the profits gained from it.

Magus · 12-04-2012, 03:21 PM

big lol at the reaction from gay people

I demand the same outrage when someone wears a fat suit for a day/week/month to experience how fat people are treated like shit.

pochercoaster · 12-04-2012, 03:38 PM

There are a lot body positive activists who are outraged by such experiments, and justifiably so.

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big lol at the reaction from gay people

POS Industries · 12-04-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus

big lol at the reaction from gay people

I demand the same outrage when someone wears a fat suit for a day/week/month to experience how fat people are treated like shit.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to communicate here since there's not really an equivalency in how society treats gays and fat people by any stretch of the imagination, and it seems like you're just saying things to be a jerk and piss people off, which is something we can and will ban you for if you decide to persist in this endeavor.

Kim · 12-04-2012, 03:43 PM

Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread.

A straight guy pretended to be a member of an oppressed group. He faked his identity. It's not at all comparable to gay people pretending to be straight because when gay people pretend to be straight it's so they don't get MURDERED or BEAT UP or KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES or FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS or DISOWNED BY THEIR FAMILIES.

What disgusts me even more than that is that this man is profiting off of his oppression tourism. He's making CASH FUCKING MONEY off of pretending to be gay while gay people have a hard enough time getting support writing about their own actual lives. He's not some selfless great guy. He's benefiting in a huge way. He doesn't understand what it's like to be gay. He doesn't understand what it's like to be treated the way gay people are, because he didn't grow up with it and he could leave it at any point he so chose.

Despite this, he's being paid. HE'S BEING GIVEN MONEY FOR THIS.

Don't excuse this shit.

EDITED CUZ POS RESPONDED TO THE THING THAT REALLY PISSED ME OFF SO I'M A TRY TO BE CHILL

Kyanbu The Legend · 12-04-2012, 03:50 PM

Yeah but your right Kim, the fact that he makes money hurts and in ways destroys what he set out to do. Understand the LGBT community and learn to respect them as people.

He's going to have one hell of a hard time making up for that stunt.

POS Industries · 12-04-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim

Despite this, he's being paid. HE'S BEING GIVEN MONEY FOR THIS.

Don't excuse this shit.

Yeah, I mean, this is kinda the big sticking point here. Like, if he were doing this thing to make his life a lot harder just for the sake of opening his own eyes and gain some insight because a lifetime of programming has made him completely unable to empathize with the problems faced by the LGBT community, that's one thing.

But this whole thing reeks of hucksterism which is just immensely insulting to the people that this dude claims to be trying to help with his 100% for-profit book deal initiative he's undertaking.

Fifthfiend · 12-04-2012, 03:51 PM

Probably some fat people would be offended by people doing that. Or i guess is that a thing people do? Probably some fat people are offended by that.

I get that this sort of thing is generally well-meant but it also always has a pretty heavy strain of 'if you wanted to know the perspective of a gay/black/fat/woman/etc person why didn't you ask some gay people or black people or fat people or women people or etc people what their perspective is?'

Certainly laughing at the reactions of actual gay people would seem to undercut claims of being sincerely interested in their experiences.

Bells · 12-04-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

I get that this sort of thing is generally well-meant but it also always has a pretty heavy strain of 'if you wanted to know the perspective of a gay/black/fat/woman/etc person why didn't you ask some gay people or black people or fat people or women people or etc people what their perspective is?'

This is way more important to me than "OMG PROFITZ".

I mean, he did not did this for others. He clearly says so. He did this for himself... but, couldn't you get the same rational if instead of pretending to be gay he simply made more gay friends?

I mean, he wouldn't see how HE got treated if he was gay, but sure enough a lot of the more close minded people would treat him like that anyways just for hanging around gay people...

Feels like a bit more field work than necessary for the same goal.

Now, about the book... i don't have a problem with it. Not one bit. Hey, maybe is a way for him to spread his experience over this fact... maybe THAT can help a couple of people as well... and he gets payed for it? Well... yeah, Ok. Fine.

Now, mind you that any talk of "He was in it only for the money from the start" is talking out of one's ass. We don't know that. Others have done the "live a year in this or that group's shoes" and created relevant point of views and stories about it. This is just one more.

Which is why i said i wouldn't like to see this into a trend. It quickly becomes moot and overplayed.

It could just as well be that around month 8-9 he got approached by a publisher that wanted to tell that story. His "fake boyfriend" knew he wasn't gay, and i'm sure a couple of more people here and there knew as well... so it is possible if they thought his experience could benefit others.

Hell, squint a bit and you can turn this whole thing around into a interpretation of "turning the other cheek" for all i care... i don't see harm. Actually it balances right now between pointless and useful.

It's just a matter to see if this story goes any further than this.

Magus · 12-04-2012, 07:54 PM

I just found it amusing that people normally eat up this shit what with "the year of living Biblically" or "the year of living like the poors", or, yes, continual fat suit experiments, but that this was finally crossing a red line, even though this was the one particular one probably actually worth doing just for the amount of shit a person goes through if they are even perceived as being gay.

12-04-2012, 02:35 PM	#11
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	Given his back ground and the people he's usually around. Finding his answer might not have been too easy. Remember this is a guy who was practically programmed since birth to believe that the LGBT community was evil. I agree that his method of doing this was questionable and will rub quite a large number of people on both sides the wrong way. However It still had a good result in the sense that he realized that LGBT are people too, and the friends he's made there seem to still be friends with him even after this reveal. Lie or not, it seems the friendships he formed there were true. The whole book deal thing is questionable but atleast he's helping out with funding the LGBT rights groups with the profits gained from it. __________________ Last edited by Kyanbu The Legend; 12-04-2012 at 02:38 PM.

12-04-2012, 03:21 PM	#12
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	big lol at the reaction from gay people I demand the same outrage when someone wears a fat suit for a day/week/month to experience how fat people are treated like shit. Last edited by Magus; 12-04-2012 at 03:24 PM.

12-04-2012, 03:43 PM	#15
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	RAWR SMASH Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread. A straight guy pretended to be a member of an oppressed group. He faked his identity. It's not at all comparable to gay people pretending to be straight because when gay people pretend to be straight it's so they don't get MURDERED or BEAT UP or KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES or FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS or DISOWNED BY THEIR FAMILIES. What disgusts me even more than that is that this man is profiting off of his oppression tourism. He's making CASH FUCKING MONEY off of pretending to be gay while gay people have a hard enough time getting support writing about their own actual lives. He's not some selfless great guy. He's benefiting in a huge way. He doesn't understand what it's like to be gay. He doesn't understand what it's like to be treated the way gay people are, because he didn't grow up with it and he could leave it at any point he so chose. Despite this, he's being paid. HE'S BEING GIVEN MONEY FOR THIS. Don't excuse this shit. EDITED CUZ POS RESPONDED TO THE THING THAT REALLY PISSED ME OFF SO I'M A TRY TO BE CHILL __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy Last edited by Kim; 12-04-2012 at 03:46 PM.

12-04-2012, 03:50 PM	#16
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	Yeah but your right Kim, the fact that he makes money hurts and in ways destroys what he set out to do. Understand the LGBT community and learn to respect them as people. He's going to have one hell of a hard time making up for that stunt. __________________

12-04-2012, 03:51 PM	#18
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	Probably some fat people would be offended by people doing that. Or i guess is that a thing people do? Probably some fat people are offended by that. I get that this sort of thing is generally well-meant but it also always has a pretty heavy strain of 'if you wanted to know the perspective of a gay/black/fat/woman/etc person why didn't you ask some gay people or black people or fat people or women people or etc people what their perspective is?' Certainly laughing at the reactions of actual gay people would seem to undercut claims of being sincerely interested in their experiences. __________________ check out my buttspresso Last edited by Fifthfiend; 12-04-2012 at 03:56 PM.

12-04-2012, 07:54 PM	#20
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	I just found it amusing that people normally eat up this shit what with "the year of living Biblically" or "the year of living like the poors", or, yes, continual fat suit experiments, but that this was finally crossing a red line, even though this was the one particular one probably actually worth doing just for the amount of shit a person goes through if they are even perceived as being gay.