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Unread 01-15-2013, 08:19 PM   #11
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Only if we agree that it is an accidental satire. If such a thing is possible by definition.
Do you think the juxtaposition of military force's uselessness with video game imagery was accidental? Do you think Sam's gradual dehumanization over the trilogy was accidental? Do you think the irony of Decepticons minimizing casualties and openly displaying themselves while autobots hide their nature and cause vast collateral damage was accidental? Do you, sir, think that giving Megatron a vagina as a commentary on social feminization was accidental?

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But Scott Pilgrim pulled this off intentionally, and in addition made it a way more palatable & enjoyable experience.
Scott Pilgrim was "more palatable" because it was afraid to take the satire to its necessary grandiosity.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 08:53 PM   #12
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Do you, sir, think that giving Megatron a vagina as a commentary on social feminization was accidental?
Clearly I'm not following Transformers closely enough or I'm following it from far enough away.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 11:24 PM   #13
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Do you think the juxtaposition of military force's uselessness with video game imagery was accidental? Do you think Sam's gradual dehumanization over the trilogy was accidental? Do you think the irony of Decepticons minimizing casualties and openly displaying themselves while autobots hide their nature and cause vast collateral damage was accidental? Do you, sir, think that giving Megatron a vagina [. . .] was accidental?
Yes.
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The racism/sexism was 100% intentional I'm pretty sure.
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The racism/sexism was 100% intentional I'm pretty sure.
I guess it depends on what you mean by intentional. They do intend to do those things but the intent is also to pretend that those things are not sexist or racist and just good clean American fun.
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By intentional I mean "fuck michael bay"
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Well, what I'm going for is you can't really call it a satire when basically everything he's done (that I'm aware of, at least) has been pandering to the very things you're saying he's now satirizing.

Like, if Jonathon Swift was actually a guy who went and braised and roasted children and ate them, and was known for doing so, and then wrote A Modest Proposal, I don't think anyone would be incorrect to think that maybe it was serious.
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Well, what I'm going for is you can't really call it a satire when basically everything he's done (that I'm aware of, at least) has been pandering to the very things you're saying he's now satirizing.
Theoretically, he could be a frustrated auteur, but never got the opportunity to make the movies he actually wanted to make, and so he become so fed up with being forced to cowtow to the base desires of his audience that he created Transformers as a way to subtly mock that same audience by giving them an outsized and satirical version of what they want.

I say theoretically because I'm not sure Bay could adequately read that sentence, much less embody it.
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