Explanation of Sword Chucks - Page 2

Phoenixphire · 11-07-2004, 01:59 PM

The main problem with swordchucks is that you don't know what part of the sword you're hitting with. For all you know you could be striking with the side.

Black Mage von Stabby · 11-08-2004, 05:18 PM

If you made the swords have 4 edges each, you wouldn't have that problem.

:fighter: OOOOOOH, neat twirlly sword things. I wonder how they wor-
From that day on, Mr. Fighter McFighter was never seen again.

Phoenixphire · 11-08-2004, 05:30 PM

But then they wouldn't really be sword chucks, now would they?

It's Fighter McWarrior, by the way.

PhoenixFlame · 11-08-2004, 05:59 PM

While Sword-Chucks are indeed plausible, they are far from practical. Granted, I think it's pretty neat to be able to slice and dice with multiple blades, but the risk, complexity, and overall lack of versatility you get from using 2 chained blades simply outweighs the benefits.

Pros:
Sword-Chucks, yo!
Intimidation factor.
Multi-weapon fighting with only two arms

Cons:
Lack of counters/defensive fighting due to weight of off-chain blade, and concentration on multiweapon fighting.
Requires heavy armor use, limiting dexterity, a key player in sword-chuckery
Lacks a good number of attack patterns. Swing/Stab is great, but after doing that for the entire fight, your opponent is going to wise up.

Anyway, Give me dual scimitars any day. Preferably the ones with the streamers on the hilts, so I can look stylish while scything through opponents like a chainsaw through rice-paper doors.

Phoenixphire · 11-08-2004, 07:22 PM

Your cons aren't 100% accurate.

1.) If you can use them right (which is hard, but still possible), you can use swordchucks completely armor-less without amputating limbs by hitting yourself with only the hilts.

2.) You can actually defend pretty well with sword chucks. Regular swords and nunchucks can do it better, however.

3.) You can do plenty of attack patterns with swordchucks. You can do almost anything you can do with nunchucks with swordchucks with the proper training.

But there's one simple problem that completely demerits the whole weapon. All it takes is a good strike from a longsword or staff and your swordchucks could very easily come back at you from the deflection, or at the least make you very vulnerable.

PhoenixFlame · 11-08-2004, 08:26 PM

Not only that, one good strike on your target's armor could very well throw your entire attack off, not to mention bring yourself to harm.

Nunchucks are only able to do that because they do not have 5 ft. long blades. Now, shortsword-chucks, maybe. You also grip a Nunchuck by what would be the blade end of a swordchuck. Not to mention, nunchucks take great amounts of dedication to be proficient in, much less master. Fighter simply putting blades on nunchucks and using them perfectly is nonrealisitic. ((But what is.))

You can defend yourself with a broom, just not as well as other weapons. The entire idea is to have a rather strong defence, rather than swingy things.

Gorefiend · 11-08-2004, 09:25 PM

Another possible method would be to take regular nunchucks, lengthen the chain so it goes from shoulder to shoulder, or maybe a bit longer, then attach two swrods on short chains at the ends. The result would be a very slow set of sword chucks, but, if mastered properly, they would deal more damage. Why? The length of the chain means that 1) the twirling motions are across the whole body, not through the shoulders/back. (say you're holding the chucks with the long chain in front of you, you can throw the side in your left hand so it goes forward across your body, then around, and back at your left hand. Only that now the knife is behind you. Same with the right hand. Also, 2) you can take one end, and spin it in a little circle, like one of those lassos, but vertically. This would have a benefit of added momentum, from the longer chain.

However, no matter the chucks, it would take GREAT skill to even learn to use them, let alone master them.

kam_islash · 11-09-2004, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VA_Ninja

I'm wondering: why hasn't anyone actually made a pair of swordchucks yet? 8BT is quite popular and I think someone would have access to the tools to make a pair or two.
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Good News: I know a blacksmith who says he can do it for a price
Bad News: i don't have the shinies.

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XJapan-EndlessRain · 11-09-2004, 11:40 AM

Gorefiend I believe in my first post I already discussed the longer chain when pointing out how they would be made.

Sword chucks are an acrobatic weapon, you would use your entire body to use them and therefore you would have the momentum of your body weight forcing these blades to move (you could NOT swing a sword as powerful as this) aswell as an obvious natural shield (who is going to walk into a tornado of blades?)

Phoenixphire · 11-09-2004, 04:44 PM

If anyone plays Soul Calibur 2, they would know about one of Maxi's weapons called "Falcon". All it is/they are/whatever are nunchucks with a small blade about an inch and a half long at the end of each chuck. Perhaps if you lengthened the blades to maybe a foot and a half, while making them very thin (almost rapier thin), you could make swordchucks that could function properly. Just maybe......

11-07-2004, 01:59 PM	#11
Phoenixphire Too...many...Leo avatars! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missourah Posts: 40	The main problem with swordchucks is that you don't know what part of the sword you're hitting with. For all you know you could be striking with the side. __________________ :thief:: Well, he's as good as dead. :bmage:: Heh, he won't be the first. See what I did there? Li'l Black Belt reference for ya. It's funny because he's dead.

11-08-2004, 05:30 PM	#13
Phoenixphire Too...many...Leo avatars! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missourah Posts: 40	But then they wouldn't really be sword chucks, now would they? It's Fighter McWarrior, by the way. __________________ :thief:: Well, he's as good as dead. :bmage:: Heh, he won't be the first. See what I did there? Li'l Black Belt reference for ya. It's funny because he's dead.

11-08-2004, 05:59 PM	#14
PhoenixFlame ☢!CAUTION!☢ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beneath Gensokyo Posts: 3,668	While Sword-Chucks are indeed plausible, they are far from practical. Granted, I think it's pretty neat to be able to slice and dice with multiple blades, but the risk, complexity, and overall lack of versatility you get from using 2 chained blades simply outweighs the benefits. Pros: Sword-Chucks, yo! Intimidation factor. Multi-weapon fighting with only two arms Cons: Lack of counters/defensive fighting due to weight of off-chain blade, and concentration on multiweapon fighting. Requires heavy armor use, limiting dexterity, a key player in sword-chuckery Lacks a good number of attack patterns. Swing/Stab is great, but after doing that for the entire fight, your opponent is going to wise up. Anyway, Give me dual scimitars any day. Preferably the ones with the streamers on the hilts, so I can look stylish while scything through opponents like a chainsaw through rice-paper doors. __________________ "Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic." -from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

11-08-2004, 07:22 PM	#15
Phoenixphire Too...many...Leo avatars! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missourah Posts: 40	Your cons aren't 100% accurate. 1.) If you can use them right (which is hard, but still possible), you can use swordchucks completely armor-less without amputating limbs by hitting yourself with only the hilts. 2.) You can actually defend pretty well with sword chucks. Regular swords and nunchucks can do it better, however. 3.) You can do plenty of attack patterns with swordchucks. You can do almost anything you can do with nunchucks with swordchucks with the proper training. But there's one simple problem that completely demerits the whole weapon. All it takes is a good strike from a longsword or staff and your swordchucks could very easily come back at you from the deflection, or at the least make you very vulnerable. __________________ :thief:: Well, he's as good as dead. :bmage:: Heh, he won't be the first. See what I did there? Li'l Black Belt reference for ya. It's funny because he's dead.

11-08-2004, 08:26 PM	#16
PhoenixFlame ☢!CAUTION!☢ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beneath Gensokyo Posts: 3,668	Not only that, one good strike on your target's armor could very well throw your entire attack off, not to mention bring yourself to harm. Nunchucks are only able to do that because they do not have 5 ft. long blades. Now, shortsword-chucks, maybe. You also grip a Nunchuck by what would be the blade end of a swordchuck. Not to mention, nunchucks take great amounts of dedication to be proficient in, much less master. Fighter simply putting blades on nunchucks and using them perfectly is nonrealisitic. ((But what is.)) You can defend yourself with a broom, just not as well as other weapons. The entire idea is to have a rather strong defence, rather than swingy things. __________________ "Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic." -from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

11-08-2004, 05:18 PM	#12
Black Mage von Stabby Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 94	If you made the swords have 4 edges each, you wouldn't have that problem. :fighter: OOOOOOH, neat twirlly sword things. I wonder how they wor- From that day on, Mr. Fighter McFighter was never seen again.

11-08-2004, 09:25 PM	#17
Gorefiend That Guy Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The city that doesn't sleep Posts: 1,039	Another possible method would be to take regular nunchucks, lengthen the chain so it goes from shoulder to shoulder, or maybe a bit longer, then attach two swrods on short chains at the ends. The result would be a very slow set of sword chucks, but, if mastered properly, they would deal more damage. Why? The length of the chain means that 1) the twirling motions are across the whole body, not through the shoulders/back. (say you're holding the chucks with the long chain in front of you, you can throw the side in your left hand so it goes forward across your body, then around, and back at your left hand. Only that now the knife is behind you. Same with the right hand. Also, 2) you can take one end, and spin it in a little circle, like one of those lassos, but vertically. This would have a benefit of added momentum, from the longer chain. However, no matter the chucks, it would take GREAT skill to even learn to use them, let alone master them. __________________ The world of truth has no certainty. The world of fact has no hope. "Environmental laws were not passed to protect our air and water... they were passed to get votes. Seasonal anti-smut campaigns are not conducted to rid our communities of moral rot... they are conducted to give an aura of saintliness to the office-seekers who demand them." - Frank Zappa, prelude to Joe's Garage Ever wonder THE TRUTH ABOUT BLACK HELICOPTERS?

11-09-2004, 11:40 AM	#19
XJapan-EndlessRain Troopa Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 84	Gorefiend I believe in my first post I already discussed the longer chain when pointing out how they would be made. Sword chucks are an acrobatic weapon, you would use your entire body to use them and therefore you would have the momentum of your body weight forcing these blades to move (you could NOT swing a sword as powerful as this) aswell as an obvious natural shield (who is going to walk into a tornado of blades?) __________________ "Days of joy, days of sadness slowly pass me by As I try to hold you, you are vanishing before me You are just an illusion... As I awaken my tears have dried in the sands of sleep I'm a rose blooming in the desert" Poetic exerpt from Endless Rain by X Japan Lyrics by Yoshiki

11-09-2004, 04:44 PM	#20
Phoenixphire Too...many...Leo avatars! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missourah Posts: 40	If anyone plays Soul Calibur 2, they would know about one of Maxi's weapons called "Falcon". All it is/they are/whatever are nunchucks with a small blade about an inch and a half long at the end of each chuck. Perhaps if you lengthened the blades to maybe a foot and a half, while making them very thin (almost rapier thin), you could make swordchucks that could function properly. Just maybe...... __________________ :thief:: Well, he's as good as dead. :bmage:: Heh, he won't be the first. See what I did there? Li'l Black Belt reference for ya. It's funny because he's dead.