META-Mafia! - Page 20

Geminex · 11-01-2012, 04:36 PM

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I think you totally can, and some people were set up so that they essentially had the choice which one they'd want to play for.

Then that's badly designed, though. Betrayal is something you have to handle really carefully in Mafia, since there's already enough uncertainty around without having to worry about getting stabbed in the back. Factions are a central component to mafia, if you add a mechanic where even faction members might be playing against you, then you're destroying that mechanic and fostering a free-for-all attitude that takes a lot of the depth out of the game. Individual victory is certainly not a core element of mafia, and if the point mechanic was intended to be anything other than ancilliary then you should probably have let people know "hey, betrayal game" when you opened signups.

I just saw them like achievements in video games. Sure, you wanna get the achievements, but you want to get them in teh course of normal play. You might change your course a little in order to get a specific achievement, but they're not, generally, the main goal. If earl had the choice between winning as last scum standing, or winning along with a teammate, tehn, sure, smoke the teammate. But don't tell me he shoulda chosen his point score over a factional victory. That's a dick move to pretty much everyone in the game, since you're undermining town's efforts and you're giving him incentive to screw over his team.

And honestly, individualism in mafia is generally dumb. You play, and win, as factions. And for all my victory dancing, I will not for a moment try to supplant the fact that this was a town victory with my own performance.

So yeah, Earl and Drac're right. Town is MVP, not me. Overall I really think we played well. Kudos to everyone. I helped.

The victory dances stay, though.
I dance in the name of town.

Inbred Chocobo · 11-01-2012, 04:45 PM

You are just said because I won the point game I got crowned champion.

Geminex · 11-01-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

You are just said because I won the point game I got crowned champion.

I cannot hid my raging jealousy, alas. What I would not give to just touch your crown.

Inbred Chocobo · 11-01-2012, 05:15 PM

Bitches love the crown.

Nikose Tyris · 11-01-2012, 05:39 PM

I had fun here. I would do this again. Good job, RPG.

BahamutFlare · 11-01-2012, 08:04 PM

Good game. I kinda wish I was around to maybe defend myself D1, but at least town won and that makes me happy. Especially after all the roles were revealed, there was 0 chance in hell I was going to win and be last man standing.

With money, I was going for the faction win because I agree with Gem. The points don't matter.

rpgdemon · 11-01-2012, 09:35 PM

In any case, I'm glad y'all had fun, since my biggest goal was to make an enjoyable game.

Gregness · 11-04-2012, 07:49 PM

I want to apologize for going AWOL on the game you guys. I had a disagreement with another forumite right after the game started which sort of poisoned my will to frequent the forum for a few days. The proper way to handle it would have been to PM rpgdemon and get it handled and I didn't.

So, yeah, sorry.

rpgdemon · 11-04-2012, 08:36 PM

Incidentally, that might be part of the reason the town felt as if it were underpowered. With such a small town, one person being inactive means that the town is 16.6% smaller.

Plus, Gregness had (essentially) the other half of the Vig role.

No worries though, dude. The town won, regardless. I was just sad since I thought your role would be cool to see what happened with it.

11-01-2012, 09:35 PM	#197
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	In any case, I'm glad y'all had fun, since my biggest goal was to make an enjoyable game. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

11-04-2012, 07:49 PM	#198
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	I want to apologize for going AWOL on the game you guys. I had a disagreement with another forumite right after the game started which sort of poisoned my will to frequent the forum for a few days. The proper way to handle it would have been to PM rpgdemon and get it handled and I didn't. So, yeah, sorry. __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

11-04-2012, 08:36 PM	#199
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Incidentally, that might be part of the reason the town felt as if it were underpowered. With such a small town, one person being inactive means that the town is 16.6% smaller. Plus, Gregness had (essentially) the other half of the Vig role. No worries though, dude. The town won, regardless. I was just sad since I thought your role would be cool to see what happened with it. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

11-01-2012, 04:45 PM	#192
Inbred Chocobo Bitches love the crown Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my happy place! Posts: 3,264	You are just said because I won the point game I got crowned champion.

11-01-2012, 08:04 PM	#196
BahamutFlare Troopa Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: PA Posts: 34	Good game. I kinda wish I was around to maybe defend myself D1, but at least town won and that makes me happy. Especially after all the roles were revealed, there was 0 chance in hell I was going to win and be last man standing. With money, I was going for the faction win because I agree with Gem. The points don't matter.