Hatland Mafia

[Fenris]

It's hard to tell through all the shouting matches. I'll take a look and get you some opinions at some point in the near future, when it is not 12 AM and I am not supposedly working for real life moneys at a real life job.

[P-Sleazy]

I demand an answer to my questions!

Karesh is a chick?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by P-Sleazy

I demand an answer to my questions!

Clearly, we should policy-lynch you for attempting to use a Mafia game to pick up chicks.

(I am kidding!)

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

You went to the helpstravaganza thread to complain?

No, I went to the helpstravaganza for help with this problem that I have, before the game started. As I said many times. I figured that being told that I need to be less confident to not be suspicious would be no fun, and just make things annoying to me to play, and then decided that I would quit, since multiple people were expecting it of me.

I then decided against quitting, since two people are not the entirety of the game, and I legitimately believe you and/or Sifright to be scum.

[BahamutFlare]

The two people I am most suspicious of are P-Sleazy and Shyria.

P-Sleazy has posted about 5 times. Most of them at the beginning and none of them have any insight or concrete information. All of them are jokes.

Shyria posted one vote for P-Sleazy and is now outta here. No reason. Seemed like a joke vote.

If you're confused and don't have any insight to add, then I like how Fenris acted. He just flat out stated it. He said he was active, but didn't have any clues. To me, that's seems less scummy than the jokes that Shyria and P-Sleazy made. I'd be curious to hear what everyone's thoughts are about these 2. Please?

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Yikes, Fenris with the uppercut!

I have tried to articulate suspicions in the hopes that I'd spur more conversation than just shouting matches before. It's too bad you haven't noticed!

That was me being a better player than this.

why and how did you manage to link to the same post twice with different post numbers but I went and looked at the post you intended to link and I addressed it here

Originally Posted by Fenris

While this was indeed (kind of) my tactic in Homestuck Mafia, it's basically how I play regardless of the role I've been assigned. Right now, my m.o. is to call people out on playing the game poorly in the hopes that they will begin playing the game better.

Sooo, yeah. I've been addressing your grievances (albeit in response to Smarty who expressed the same grievances)

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by BahamutFlare

If you're confused and don't have any insight to add, then I like how Fenris acted. He just flat out stated it. He said he was active, but didn't have any clues. To me, that's seems less scummy than the jokes that Shyria and P-Sleazy made. I'd be curious to hear what everyone's thoughts are about these 2. Please?

Shyria is new to mafia, and I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, for now, at least.

P-Sleazy (who I will intermittently refer to as B_real) is pretty much always like this forever. If you paid any attention to how Nikose acted during MLP Mafia, B_real is pretty much like that all the time forevers.

He's also pretty good at the game, so here's hoping he's town.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Fenris

That was me being a better player than this.

why and how did you manage to link to the same post twice with different post numbers but I went and looked at the post you intended to link and I addressed it here

...Woah, how did that happen? Did I...did I break NPF?

But I was more interested in your thoughts of many of my inklings, not just the ones specifically regarding whether you may or may not be scum.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I suspect that RPG, if scum, is basically attempting to goad me into increasingly longwinded defenses of myself and my play so that he can argue I'm more interested in self-preservation than aiding Town. If so, bravo. Nonetheless, RPG's post is filled with enough ludicrousness to merit a Wall.



About as "blatant" of a lie as you misrepresenting a post I made in MLP Mafia suggesting your post "made me think" was akin to an admission that my entire D1 strategy was fatally flawed?

You can try characterizing your 'moment of weakness' however you want, I still think it was a petty indulgence that warrants suspicion, and whatever might have sparked your immediate change of heart, I'm not impressed by your reasoning. Your attempts to deflect my criticism by pointing out a minor misstatement take nothing away from the thrust of my argument. Your obsession over my commentary regarding your "confidence" is petty and immature, period, end of subject.

(How would you feel if I threatened to ragequit and threw a petulant tantrum at you just because you dared to insult my D1 play in this game? You can't get away with trying to paint any criticism of your play, whether flawed or accurate, as a personal affront or no one would ever be able to attempt to characterize your play lest they spark your over-defensive ire. The rational conclusion is either that you're over-defensive and exorbitantly sensitive to any statements made of you that could be interpreted as 'negative' or that you're scum and portraying yourself in this manner as a smart strategy to ensure that no one ever feels comfortable analyzing your play again. The fact that I'm actually choosing the former interpretation and not pressing for a lynch of you is, I suppose, not quite a compliment. )

Again, you seem hellbent on interpreting my criticisms of you as an aggressive campaign to 'out' you as scum or lead a lynch on you, when I'm not particularly invested in pressing that case.

But, beyond all the Mafia strategy; if you are seriously offended by merely (perhaps even erroneously!) characterizing your confidence as a scumtell, RPG, you need to quit this game and never play Mafia again. You went to the helpstravaganza thread to complain? C'mon, RPG; Mafia is a competitive game, and in this form of competitive game everyone will be analyzing every little thing you do and attempting to decipher whether it means you're Scum or Town! That is what we are supposed to do! Are you seriously albeit indirectly suggesting that we can't or shouldn't do that just because a conclusion that you are suspicious or may be scum may lead to some sort of breakdown?



We're going to have to agree to disagree given that we each seem to believe that the other is creating an independent, baseless narrative, then.



Only:

1: I never said my D1 strategy in MLP Mafia was 'ineffective.' Your statement there constitutes the very sort of misrepresentation you're denying you're making and that you're accusing me of.

I actually thought my strategy was very effective. It led me to go 5 for 7 on D1 suspicions, may well have spooked Mafia into sacrificing Nikose to essentially claim a pseudo-investigative role in order to 'out' me as 'SK,' and let me dictate the tenor and flow of play in a manner I found insightful. I only felt I partially botched one element of one 'trap' I attempted, which led me to respond to your post with a very tepid and ambiguous statement that can't even really be classified as an agreement. After all, after I made that post, I went right back to the same style of play and didn't change my ways, and then I was Nightkilled.



Uh. No.
...No, RPG, no, I didn't.
I didn't try another gambit like I did with Nikose and IHMN in MLP Mafia. You got that much right. But that's not because "RPG showed me the light" or anything, that's just because it was D2, and my D2 play as Town is very different than my D1 play as Town. That's true for most experienced Mafia players.

...But really, let's be blunt here: At what point in this game have I attempted a trap in a manner comparable to the Nikose / IHMN situation? At one point did I shout "TRAPPED!" and unveil some epic convoluted scheme to catch anyone? You see the funny thing is, my gameplay between MLP and this game hasn't really changed, this is pretty much still same old Town Snake with his kooky Walls, but at the same time, there haven't been the exact kinds of crazy D1 gambits you're half-heartedly accusing me of making.

If you find any evidence that supports your conclusion, feel free to make me eat my hat. But I think all you'll find in this Mafia game are justifications of my playstyle and descriptions of the informational value of crazy D1 traps...and not, you know...any actual crazy D1 'traps.'




First: NO analysis?
Man, I could write a Wall of Text just analyzing this completely inaccurate, incorrect and insulting misstatement.

Instead, let me ask me you a few basic questions:
1) I joined this Mafia game far earlier than in MLP Mafia. How the hell was I supposed to "initially" provide "analysis" when there was nothing but a couple joke votes to analyze? What "analysis" should I have provided when joking around in post #3 and post #5?
2) You accused me of acting "incredibly differently" as early as post #29. At that point, what kind of detailed logical analyses were you expecting me to make? How could I have contributed in any way comparable to my contributions in D1 or D2 of MLP Mafia when there's literally nothing to go off of? Should I have made up something to respond to with a Wall of Text?
3) How is this post in any way, shape or form less analysis than what anyone provided by post 42 in this topic? And, what "crazy logic mode epic trap" was I preparing in those comments? Unless the "crazy logic trap" I was planning was "I will TRAP everyone into actually initiating productive conversation and not joke-voting!" you have no case.

Second: Crazy-logic mode? What?
How exactly am I supposed to respond to such an ambiguous accusation?
What the hell is crazy-logic mode, anyway? Are you saying that none of my suspicions have incorporated detailed, factual analyses?

And are you implying that I'm Scum because my behavior is similar to what I did that you disliked in D1 of MLP Mafia,or because it's different?

TLDR: You seem to be arguing two incongruous ideas at the same time, namely:

A) "Snake is scum because he's attempting crazy Traps and acting kooky with convoluted disorienting schemes, which is precisely what he did as Town in the early stages of D1 in MLP Mafia,"
and B) "Snake is not acting logically as he did in MLP Mafia, in which he was Town, therefore in this game he is Scum."

Do you see the inherent contradiction?
...Because I can't think of any other way to spell it out for you.

Euuurghhhhh, God damn it snake this is exactly the kind of shit I mean, The only reason you post in fucking huge walls of text is to shutdown all analysis of what you are actually saying. Everything you have stated there could be condensed down to far more manageable levels with out losing meaning. Stop doing the Republican bullshittery equivalent of filibustering in mafia games.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Euuurghhhhh, God damn it snake this is exactly the kind of shit I mean, The only reason you post in fucking huge walls of text is to shutdown all analysis of what you are actually saying.

Bullshit.
I write Walls of Text all the time because that is what I do.
It is my modus operandi. It's a nulltell, meaning I'd do the same as Town or Scum.

Don't believe me? Check out the MLP Mafia game, where I wrote plenty of Walls as Town. Or check out all these unrelated posts where I do the same fucking thing you're presently bitching over like a petulant illiterate child.

How's about you learn how to read, spend literally less than one minute (I actually just timed myself reading one of my longest Walls) digesting what I've read, and engage in intelligent discourse like a rational human being instead of pretending that I'm terrible at this because I actually expect you to be capable of dissecting the human language you presumably mastered as a young'un.

Oh no wait this is Sifright, sorry guys clearly I'm mistaken, under the Laws of Sifright any post longer than 500 characters in length is automatically illegitimate because he refuses to type more on that on average, and would prefer you spam the crap out the thread with tons upon tons of tiny posts that add nothing of consequence.

...Hey if you're going to insult my posting style, yours is fair game, bro.