A conversation about conversations about bigotry

[Nique]

White males don't oppress people.

I do.

I enjoy and take advantage of privileges accorded me daily because of being a white male. I don't think this makes me an asshole, it makes society fucked up. What really makes someone an asshole is having every reason to understand what privilege entails, and refusing to acknowledge that it exists so that they continue to perpetuate how fucked up society is.

Also, I feel pretty oppressed when Liz and people like him refer to white males

Appropriating this rhetoric because someone pointed out how you are privileged or said something offensive is hugely offensive to people who are actually oppressed.

[Sifright]

I think it's mostly like i said earlier in the thread. All the people who are disagreeing or demanding more evidence purely because 'there isn't enough' are doing so because the topic at hand happens to be something they've enjoyed and they are unwilling to deal with the cognitive dissonance of enjoying something that at the same time has promoted terrible views. People have immediate knee jerk reactions to that and it kills the ability to have dialogue as people don't want to admit that the media they consume could espouse problematic views.

of course we also have a problem with people not understanding specific terminology and then thinking it's about them personally, i'd like to say this particular one is a two way street failure to communicate. On the one hand it's very easy to use google to find this information and educate your self on the particulars and on the other hand the person doing the communicating also needs to express them selves in a way that is understandable to the person they are talking to, I understood the term 'male gaze' due to inference and what I already thought about most media but for people whom english isn't a first language it might be that simple and it's easy to get confused think a term could be describing you personally because you don't understand the context or explicit meaning.

Mostly though it's pretty obvious that what has happened is that people have allowed their pride to get the better of them and they are cherry picking points that people make and ignoring the rest.

[Marelo]

Originally Posted by TDK

he's

My impression has been that Liz prefers feminine pronouns.

Also, I feel pretty oppressed when Liz and people like him refer to white males and talk about privilege and whatever, like its every individual person's fault that people are oppressed and stuff. White males don't oppress people. Assholes oppress people.

This is ridiculous.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Marelo

This is ridiculous.

Not if you read it as satire.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by TDK

You don't need to be all calling people overprivileged biggoted assclowns when they suggest that hey maybe islam is not very healthy for a society* or whatever people are arguing about this week.

*I guess this is what the draw muhammed day thing was about? I didn't read that thread. But its not relevant to my point.

Oh my god, TDK. This is your chance to walk away. I'm giving you this warning, this one, final opportunity, to walk away from this discussion and never return. This statement here, not at all helped by your following nonsense about how white males are oppressed by pointing out how easy we really do have it in western society by virtue of being white males, is completely and utterly indefensible. It really is overpriviliged bigoted assclownery, and I get that you don't seem to understand why that is.

Just believe me when I tell you that it really, really is.

There is no way you can salvage this into a coherent argument. You cannot argue this point. Any attempt to do so will result in you saying something even worse that will get you banned. Maybe permanently, seeing as you have this whole multi-year history of being permabanned that we decided to, in a fit of compassion and forgiveness, finally end to give you a second chance. That chance could end right now, do you get that?

You don't have to apologize, though a sincere apology would not be frowned upon. Not an "I'm sorry if you were offended" thing. A real one where you get that it is completely unacceptable to say something like that here. But that is not being demanded.

I am simply asking that you walk away from this conversation now and never look back. It is the simplest and fastest way to salvage your continued membership on these forums.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by TDK

^

Related: Liz is a pretty big asshole pretty much all of the time, he's a perfect example of an overzealous white knight. It is not the responsibility or obligation of anyone to try and force people to change their views which may or may not be wrong (they are called opinions for a reason) for the active betterment of society, even if it would be great if everyone actively worked to make society better. In fact, its pretty bigoted to be a huge dick to someone just because of their views. There's an old addage that says two wrongs don't make a right, maybe we should take that to heart.

I think my main reason for saying Liz is an asshole is that I feel like he really, genuinely never considers the idea that he is wrong. Also because he is overly caustic with anyone he has the slightest disagreement with. Like, jesus christ have you heard of the idea of tact? You don't need to be all calling people overprivileged biggoted assclowns when they suggest that hey maybe islam is not very healthy for a society* or whatever people are arguing about this week.

*I guess this is what the draw muhammed day thing was about? I didn't read that thread. But its not relevant to my point.



Also, I feel pretty oppressed when Liz and people like him refer to white males and talk about privilege and whatever, like its every individual person's fault that people are oppressed and stuff. White males don't oppress people. Assholes oppress people.

But none of this is really relevant to the current topic, I just missed the part of the conversation where people were pointing out why they think Liz is a dick.

This post however is just ridiculous, EVERY ONE must work together to educate people on why their culture is currently the most horrendous rotten taint of shit that exists, because all cultures have very very terrible views accepted as basic fact with no critical thought applied to it.

t is not the responsibility or obligation of anyone to try and force people to change their views which may or may not be wrong (they are called opinions for a reason)

This is the bullshit part.

We live in a global society for the most part in regards to flow of ideas and it is not okay to think terrible shit we ALL have a responsibility to change the environment to the better and I'm not okay with the idea that we personally don't have responsibility to change things for the better because if we don't who will?

Edit: there are actually other bullshit parts to but that was the most prominent part.

Double edit:

It's also abundantly clear you have no idea what is meant by the term white privilege which doesn't surprise me.

triple edit:

See this is exactly what I said would be the case, it's not about fact it's about emotion no one argues free from emotion and it's incredibly clear people aren't able to internalise the points being made because they get into an emotional state begin to reject the points on hand because they feel angry that they are being associated with something they feel they don't agree with.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by TDK

TDK quoting me as saying something about bukkake

See now I wish I had said something about bukkake so that quoting me saying something about bukkake made sense. Because I've always wanted to say something about bukkake.

EDIT:

MAN SOMEONE NINJA'D THAT POST AWAY. So now it looks like I actually did just say something about bukkake.

...bukkake.

[Fenris]

Hey TDK how about you actually read some of the thread before you take it back approximately 24 hours in understanding.

And hey poch/sif might want to cool off a little bit, this is getting unnecessarily heated.

Pretend this post is yellow.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Fenris

Pretend this post is yellow.

I see you shop at discount dan's gently used goods for your mod color paint

[TDK]

I read the entire thread (except for Snake's posts because jesus snake), evidently my views disagree with the majority or I'm terrible at explaining things or privileged or something.

Also, the thing about bukkake was said by Pocheros, I might have labelled it wrong?

I deleted my last post because POS was all rawr modtext, and I don't have that much stake in this conversation.

This ends my tenure in this thread for aforementioned reasons. Everyone is cordially invited to come join my new thread, which is about cats.