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[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Arhra

Other points aside, the lack of warp travel doesn't stop the Necrons or the space communists.

Yeah I realised that afterwards, but I couldn't be arsed to go back and change it. So Necrons kill everyone first then instead, THEN the Nids arrive and eat them.

[Arhra]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

I only know who Time Lords are. so I'll have to go with them. Besides, they're perfectly capable of scheming to break that time lock.

To give you an idea of what the grimdark musical of the forty-first millenium is like, well, to quote TV Tropes:

"Thirty-eight thousand years in the future, the mighty Imperium of Man has expanded across the galaxy... to discover that the galaxy is a hell that would make Hieronymous Bosch shit himself in terror, and that it has a hell. From without, the Imperium is assailed by alien monsters from the depths of space, nightmare death-machines and soulless daemons (as well as soulless death-machines and nightmare daemons); from within, treachery, heresy, mindless incompetence and the festering taint of Chaos threaten to tear it apart.

Warhammer 40,000 is not a happy place. Rather than just being Darker And Edgier, it paints itself black, takes a running jump and hurls itself head first over the edge, bellowing "WAAAGH"."

The aforementioned hell is hyperspace by the way.

It is lovely.

[BitVyper]

Technologically, the Time Lords are so far ahead of everyone here as to make most of the setting's gods look trite by comparison. I mean, the fact that they can get anywhere in the universe instantly without traversing the Warp is already an enormous advantage. I mean, a Time Lord could potentially materialize his TARDIS around the Golden Throne, and then steal the emperor. They'd be a Type IV civilisation in a setting populated by Type I civilisations at best (and the 'Nids are the only ones I can think of that are actually true Type I).

It's not really a question of them being more powerful than the other races, because they are vastly so. The question is whether or not they alone can undo ten thousand years of GRIMDARK. That's a very tall order in the WH40K with everything being so huge, spread out, disconnected, and generally fucked up.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

40K is pretty muchd efined by every side being bastards- just some less so. The imperium and eldar and marines are not as bad as the others but still not the most lovely of races. I see a no-win scenario here.

Also Nids eat everyone.

[Krylo]

So, ok, I don't really watch Dr. Who or what the fuck ever, but from what I have seen their major antagonists are like... dildos with shitty inaccurate Star Trek phasers that move at roughly half the speed of zombies.

Now, I might be fully off base, but it's hard for me to imagine any set of characters that consider daleks a valid threat to be of any threat whatsoever to the Imperium, the chaos armies, or Da Boyz.

[TARDIS]

Originally Posted by Krylo

So, ok, I don't really watch Dr. Who or what the fuck ever, but from what I have seen their major antagonists are like... dildos with shitty inaccurate Star Trek phasers that move at roughly half the speed of zombies.

Now, I might be fully off base, but it's hard for me to imagine any set of characters that consider daleks a valid threat to be of any threat whatsoever to the Imperium, the chaos armies, or Da Boyz.

...Right... Let'se see how they were pwned since the Time War, shall we?

Daleks;
Time War- The Doctor did it. Gallifrety was destroyed too.

200,100 - Bad Wolf deity (Rose + Time Vortex) disintegrated them, aftert aking minimal losses all the way up to the Doctor

2007 - Sent back into the Void by Doctor and Rose. Warred with humanity and the Cybus Cybermen beforehand. (I'd lol if it was the same void as FF5, so they can keep that evil tree company.)

1930 - Dalek Humans destroyed them WITH THEIR OWN TECHNOLOGY.

2009 - 3 Doctors. (Original, Metacrisis, Doctor-Donna.), Metacrisis doctor flipped the switch that destroyed them. 3 Daleks destroyed on earth beforehand by the parralel world team (Rose, Mickey, Jackie), 1 destroyed by Jack on Earth, then later on he destroyed Supreme Dalek. All of this was brought about by Dalek Caan.


(Time War = between 1996 movie and 2005 series. 200,100 = 2005 series. 2007 = 2006 series. 1930 = 2007 series. 2009 = 2008 series.)

And also...
2012 - Dalek ended up destroying ITSELF out of fear of the genetic contamination. (Also 2005 series.)

And if tbhe Time Lords could keep the Daleks at bay, who knows what they'll do in whatever's going on/

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Daleks are (at least in the current series) mostly unstoppable tanks that can kill anything in 1 shot. They're protected by energy shields which stop most projectile weapons and most forms of energy. They don't need speed, because in large numbers they can just slowly sweep through an entire planet killing anything they see without fear of dieing.

But then of course you get enough of them together and they start using SCIENCE! to a masive scale, which is where their true power lies. A fully equipped Dalek force can pretty much do anything, from bombard whole continents into dust, to hollowing out planets for use as starships, or completely destroying reality.

So yes, they are kind've a big deal.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

(Things I barely understood)

Listen, all I know is that These guys apparently nearly wiped out the entire Time Lord race.

Meanwhile, THIS motherfucker right here isn't even considered close to one of the most dangerous denizens of 40k:




He has a chain fed guitar cannon.

Game. Set. Match.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Krylo

So, ok, I don't really watch Dr. Who or what the fuck ever, but from what I have seen their major antagonists are like... dildos with shitty inaccurate Star Trek phasers that move at roughly half the speed of zombies.

Now, I might be fully off base, but it's hard for me to imagine any set of characters that consider daleks a valid threat to be of any threat whatsoever to the Imperium, the chaos armies, or Da Boyz.

Important things to keep in mind about Daleks, at least New Doctor Who Daleks.

1. They can fly.
2. Their lasers seem to kill whatever they shoot without fail. If they shoot it, it dies.
3. They have a force field that protects them from most weaponry, and it generally takes an entire squad of people aiming at a single Dalek with heavy fire, future Earth artillery to even damage it.
4. They are, more often then not, simply massive in numbers, which makes the strategy mentioned in #3 not all that effective.
5. They are very smart... most of the time.

I don't know much about Warhammer 40K, so I don't know which would win, but when you take into account that the Doctor and his human comrades are usually small in numbers and extremely fragile compared with what they're fighting, the fact that they win every time makes me want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[PhoenixFlame]

@Hawk: So they're basically Wraithguard? Ponderous machine-bodied unstoppable war machines capable of leveling buildings with their personal weapons?

... Figure Iyanden's got a good shot, at least.