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Krylo · 01-16-2010, 09:59 PM

Lightbringer was consistently the most powerful weapon in the FF games or amongst the most powerful.

Deathbringer has OHKO. Which means that it consistently revives the undead. It also had a lower atp than lightbringer.

Lightbringer is better, deathbringer is useful situationally.

So pretty much the same as last time.

TARDIS · 01-16-2010, 10:02 PM

hmmm..... How about Ragnarok vs. Lightbringer?

FF6 versions, and non-FF6 versions.

Krylo · 01-16-2010, 10:07 PM

Lightbringer is the upgraded sword you get by gambling ragnarok in the arena, SO.

TARDIS · 01-16-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Lightbringer is the upgraded sword you get by gambling ragnarok in the arena, SO.

sure, the stats may LOOK good, but Lightbringer is mroe situational in battle - if an enemy abosrbs holy, that sword has a chance fo healing them, whereas Ragnarok's FLare is only stopped by Reflect (Runic can't do **** to weapon triggered spells.)

Krylo · 01-16-2010, 10:27 PM

Hrm, that's true.

Normally I'd dismiss it as you're far more likely to meet holy weak enemies than holy resistant enemies, however, if memory serves, one of Kefka's final forms was holy resistant/immune/absorb.

TARDIS · 01-16-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Hrm, that's true.

Normally I'd dismiss it as you're far more likely to meet holy weak enemies than holy resistant enemies, however, if memory serves, one of Kefka's final forms was holy resistant/immune/absorb.

Not to mention Dragon's Den Holy Dragon heals itself enoguh without you helping with Holy.

Damn countering everything with Curaga.

Kerensky287 · 01-17-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TARDIS

sure, the stats may LOOK good, but Lightbringer is mroe situational in battle - if an enemy abosrbs holy, that sword has a chance fo healing them, whereas Ragnarok's FLare is only stopped by Reflect (Runic can't do **** to weapon triggered spells.)

The thing is, stats will help you ALL the time, Holy will help you A LOT of the time, and Flare will help you SOME of the time. So unless you're in a dungeon full of monsters that absorb Holy or something, Lightbringer will still be far better.

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Not to mention Dragon's Den Holy Dragon heals itself enoguh without you helping with Holy.

Damn countering everything with Curaga.

Dragon's Den doesn't fucking count EVER.

TARDIS · 01-17-2010, 06:45 AM

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Dragon's Den doesn't fucking count EVER.

I never said it didn't count, therefore you can't say it doesn't.

Mesden · 01-17-2010, 11:05 AM

I like how you guys are talking about going back in time to beat 40K to stop most of the races from developing when most of the races were developed at the height of the biggest 40K threat -- Necrons, who also have a penchant for destroying realities, and the old ones, which only don't exist anymore because they fought the indestructible gods of death.

This is all moot because as soon as the Daleks threaten the galaxy, there is now a combined and big enough threat for the Orkz to fight and it's literally unimaginable for a united ork force to lose. If you think anything else in the 40K universe is a threat, then Gork Mork and the entire Ork horde getting off their ass will be an autoloss.

BitVyper · 01-17-2010, 01:12 PM

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I like how you guys are talking about going back in time to beat 40K to stop most of the races from developing when most of the races were developed at the height of the biggest 40K threat -- Necrons, who also have a penchant for destroying realities, and the old ones, which only don't exist anymore because they fought the indestructible gods of death.

Are we talking Daleks or Time Lords, because if the Time Lords really want to fuck shit up seriously without regard for any of their own laws, there won't ever be Necrons at all. The C'tan will never have physical forms, and at worst, they'll just keep eating suns. All it really takes is someone like President Borusa to decide that using the Temporal Scoop again is a good idea. They don't even have to go back in time to do this.

Anyway, this is turning into a Star Wars vs Star Trek fight, which wasn't really my intention, so how about the cast of Friends vs the cast of Seinfeld?

01-16-2010, 09:59 PM	#2261
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Lightbringer was consistently the most powerful weapon in the FF games or amongst the most powerful. Deathbringer has OHKO. Which means that it consistently revives the undead. It also had a lower atp than lightbringer. Lightbringer is better, deathbringer is useful situationally. So pretty much the same as last time. __________________ I am very tired.

01-16-2010, 10:07 PM	#2263
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Lightbringer is the upgraded sword you get by gambling ragnarok in the arena, SO. __________________ I am very tired.

01-16-2010, 10:27 PM	#2265
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Hrm, that's true. Normally I'd dismiss it as you're far more likely to meet holy weak enemies than holy resistant enemies, however, if memory serves, one of Kefka's final forms was holy resistant/immune/absorb. __________________ I am very tired.

01-17-2010, 11:05 AM	#2269
Mesden There is no Toph, only Melon Lord! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Inside of a box inside of a smaller box Posts: 4,310	I like how you guys are talking about going back in time to beat 40K to stop most of the races from developing when most of the races were developed at the height of the biggest 40K threat -- Necrons, who also have a penchant for destroying realities, and the old ones, which only don't exist anymore because they fought the indestructible gods of death. This is all moot because as soon as the Daleks threaten the galaxy, there is now a combined and big enough threat for the Orkz to fight and it's literally unimaginable for a united ork force to lose. If you think anything else in the 40K universe is a threat, then Gork Mork and the entire Ork horde getting off their ass will be an autoloss. __________________ I can tell you're lying.

01-16-2010, 10:02 PM	#2262
TARDIS Shyguy Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 190	hmmm..... How about Ragnarok vs. Lightbringer? FF6 versions, and non-FF6 versions.