My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 24

Nikose Tyris · 09-27-2011, 10:30 AM

If you are honestly trying to suggest that I am smart enough to be a puppetmaster

UNVOTE: GEMINEX

VOTE: BOOKWORM

Because like, I have a reputation as being the town idiot here.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-27-2011, 10:31 AM

Why am I being put into this group of chatters? I wasn't talking about the game at all in the chat.

But I missed it before, Sif why don't you say who you found with your role. Scum already know who town are, any information we have will be useful and if you or the other person happen to die it will provide us with helpufl information. Obviously don't reveal town power if that's what you know but you could help us narro wdown th elynch a bit.
So once Sif does that it will help inform out vote but firstly
Listen to Halk, getting out the inactives makes sense at this point.
And Fawlfulcopter is the most inactive total.

Nikose Tyris · 09-27-2011, 10:31 AM

Also the forums went down for me like 4 times trying to post that, and I have class

So

See you all at like, 5-6PM EST.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 10:36 AM

I'm leaving to go home in an hour or two and my pc at home died, so I won't be around in the evenings Uk times unless i can revive my machine, but seriously Nikose you so Mafia/cult/nightmare moon :|

rpgdemon · 09-27-2011, 10:41 AM

Lynching an inactive who hasn't logged into the forum is the same as voting a no-lynch, you realize, right? Anyone who's done something in the forum at large is fair game, but an inactive who doesn't know their role yet is just a no lynch.

Look at it this way: Right now, we have 16 players, and five dummy inactive players.

If we lynch an inactive player, we have 16 players, and four dummy inactive players. If we're lucky, one of the inactive people was scum. If they're not scum, then we are doing nothing for five days, literally making no impact on the game state, until the inactive players are gone.

Worst case scenario isn't us hitting all townies, and inactive players surviving, it's us hitting all the inactive players, and making no impact on the game until day six. If we honestly have no leads, burning through an inactive player is a solid idea, since it won't hurt our game state, and it has a slim chance of helping us, but most likely, we'll be making no effect on the actual game by hitting someone who isn't playing. Either way, they're not playing, whether we kill them or leave them.

If we decide to vote off an inactive person, we ought to have no other leads. It's just sitting around trying not to hit a town player, by essentially not lynching. Last game, I thought we shouldn't lynch Day 1 because we had no information, and I was told that not lynching is the worst thing you can do, because even if you hit a townie, you'll get some information, and you might hit scum.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 09-27-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Lynching an inactive who hasn't logged into the forum is the same as voting a no-lynch, you realize, right? Anyone who's done something in the forum at large is fair game, but an inactive who doesn't know their role yet is just a no lynch.

Look at it this way: Right now, we have 16 players, and five dummy inactive players.

If we lynch an inactive player, we have 16 players, and four dummy inactive players. If we're lucky, one of the inactive people was scum. If they're not scum, then we are doing nothing for five days, literally making no impact on the game state, until the inactive players are gone.

Worst case scenario isn't us hitting all townies, and inactive players surviving, it's us hitting all the inactive players, and making no impact on the game until day six. If we honestly have no leads, burning through an inactive player is a solid idea, since it won't hurt our game state, and it has a slim chance of helping us, but most likely, we'll be making no effect on the actual game by hitting someone who isn't playing. Either way, they're not playing, whether we kill them or leave them.

If we decide to vote off an inactive person, we ought to have no other leads. It's just sitting around trying not to hit a town player, by essentially not lynching. Last game, I thought we shouldn't lynch Day 1 because we had no information, and I was told that not lynching is the worst thing you can do, because even if you hit a townie, you'll get some information, and you might hit scum.

....Nooooo. Assuming the following math is based on what we know of roles then if we vote No-lynch then the population of the game as of tomorrow will be almost unquestionably -1 to town for mafia kill and -1 for the cult. Depending on how many goddamn roles have been thrown out it may also be -1 for a SK and -1 for a vig.

Voting for a lynch is potentially adding another to that pile. Of course we have the chance to kill a mafiate which is well worth it in most cases, but there's a clear distinction between having a population that is -1 from a lynched inactive or not having lynched it. This is actually kinda important too, because the victory condition for the mafia is to outnumber the town.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 10:59 AM

Just thought i should point out that Serial killer and Vig are not confirmed only the cult and mafia are, We should work to what we know but make contingencies for what could be.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 09-27-2011, 11:04 AM

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The same thing happened in the homestuck mafia game, and nobody died that.

Out of curiosity, when this happened before, what did those players turn out to be in the end?

Also, GAH! The forums are being a nuisance today. I had a sizable response I wanted to make to Nikose but the post got eaten. Basically I don't agree with his logic on the chatlog posting. I think it was a genuine mistake of gems to mention it and he was trying to be fair by posting it so we could all see. The times on each line work out perfectly and match the time it was posted on the forum, so if he was trying to cover things up he either did a really good job very quickly, or he just isn't trying to cover up anything.

Further if he was scum he wouldn't have posted it at all, unless there happened to be a townie in the room, but we've heard nobody complain about the conversation being edited, which is what you would expect if you were town and happened to overhear the scum talking. If somebody who witnessed this supposed, un-edited version of the chat turned up with the unedited version then I'd be more inclined to believe that something odd was going on. It would have been just as easy for somebody else to post this un-edited version, but there isn't anything.

So yeah, I don't buy niks logic there.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-27-2011, 11:05 AM

RPG- what you are missing completely is how daytime works when you are full of inactives, how the town wins the games via information flow. Lynching an inactive is in way at all the same as a no-lynch.
And like obviously if we have leads we will follow them. What I'm saying is we don't have any good leads at the moment (well none that convince me, others might be convinced by the leads going).

Also Sif tell us what you know.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 11:23 AM

Okay the dude I know is almost certainly a power role I don't know what their power is but i do know their flavor role and it lines up fluff wise with those who have powers, I can't in good faith reveal the person because if their power is doctor/bodyguard role they can't protect them selves and being the only known innocent basically makes them the obvious night 1 kill for the mafia.

09-27-2011, 10:41 AM	#235
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Lynching an inactive who hasn't logged into the forum is the same as voting a no-lynch, you realize, right? Anyone who's done something in the forum at large is fair game, but an inactive who doesn't know their role yet is just a no lynch. Look at it this way: Right now, we have 16 players, and five dummy inactive players. If we lynch an inactive player, we have 16 players, and four dummy inactive players. If we're lucky, one of the inactive people was scum. If they're not scum, then we are doing nothing for five days, literally making no impact on the game state, until the inactive players are gone. Worst case scenario isn't us hitting all townies, and inactive players surviving, it's us hitting all the inactive players, and making no impact on the game until day six. If we honestly have no leads, burning through an inactive player is a solid idea, since it won't hurt our game state, and it has a slim chance of helping us, but most likely, we'll be making no effect on the actual game by hitting someone who isn't playing. Either way, they're not playing, whether we kill them or leave them. If we decide to vote off an inactive person, we ought to have no other leads. It's just sitting around trying not to hit a town player, by essentially not lynching. Last game, I thought we shouldn't lynch Day 1 because we had no information, and I was told that not lynching is the worst thing you can do, because even if you hit a townie, you'll get some information, and you might hit scum. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

09-27-2011, 10:31 AM	#232
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Why am I being put into this group of chatters? I wasn't talking about the game at all in the chat. But I missed it before, Sif why don't you say who you found with your role. Scum already know who town are, any information we have will be useful and if you or the other person happen to die it will provide us with helpufl information. Obviously don't reveal town power if that's what you know but you could help us narro wdown th elynch a bit. So once Sif does that it will help inform out vote but firstly Listen to Halk, getting out the inactives makes sense at this point. And Fawlfulcopter is the most inactive total.

09-27-2011, 10:36 AM	#234
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	I'm leaving to go home in an hour or two and my pc at home died, so I won't be around in the evenings Uk times unless i can revive my machine, but seriously Nikose you so Mafia/cult/nightmare moon :\|

09-27-2011, 10:59 AM	#237
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Just thought i should point out that Serial killer and Vig are not confirmed only the cult and mafia are, We should work to what we know but make contingencies for what could be.

09-27-2011, 11:05 AM	#239
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	RPG- what you are missing completely is how daytime works when you are full of inactives, how the town wins the games via information flow. Lynching an inactive is in way at all the same as a no-lynch. And like obviously if we have leads we will follow them. What I'm saying is we don't have any good leads at the moment (well none that convince me, others might be convinced by the leads going). Also Sif tell us what you know.

09-27-2011, 11:23 AM	#240
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Okay the dude I know is almost certainly a power role I don't know what their power is but i do know their flavor role and it lines up fluff wise with those who have powers, I can't in good faith reveal the person because if their power is doctor/bodyguard role they can't protect them selves and being the only known innocent basically makes them the obvious night 1 kill for the mafia.