Bastard Politician Mafia - Page 25

Cephrir · 01-28-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b_real

And Zilla, if I were a political party leader, I don't think I'd be sticking my neck out so far and bringing so much attention to myself.

Not only is that WIFOM, but you're incapable of not drawing attention to yourself.

Stressball definitely looks like a possible inductee of b_real's combined with not knowing that NL is stupid. Not only that but it's even stupider in a culty game. Even if b_real isn't cult, attempting to nolynch is definitely a cult-tell.

Also, since this didn't work the first time,

Vote: b_real

Stress Ball · 01-28-2009, 07:41 PM

Unvote: No Impeachment

Vote: B_real

Fine. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. We'll get the results from the night actions either way, and it doesn't look like the bandwagon on B_real will be stopping anytime soon. If you need me to prove that I'm not culted, this should do.

Cephrir · 01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

And that proves anything how?

Stress Ball · 01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

Honestly, it doesn't. I have no idea where this is headed, and it seems I've made myself out to be scum. I tried to make an argument using logic that I thought was right, but obviously my logic was flawed. If B_real turns out to be cult, fine. I'll be lynched. My actions seem to have deserved it. However, it seems here, with at most 8 members factionalized right now, that we should be careful about bandwagoning on members, as it will be very easy for the various cults to jump on them.

Professor Smarmiarty · 01-28-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zilla

1) He suggests the Illuminati function differently from the other parties, with no basis. This assumes he has inside knowledge of how parties work.
2) He suggests the Illuminati's goal is the elimination of opposing political parties, and their means do not harm the masses but instead the other parties. This makes the Illuminati seem the least threatening of the political parties.
3) He further motions to take action against a potential member of the Illuminati based on the idea that they will win before town, by harming the other parties. Again, his viewpoint is in defense of the other parties, not the masses.
4) He presumes the Illuminati already have a broad member base, based on no evidence. There's nothing inehrently malevolent about this speculation, but it has no merit, and he backs it up by supposing that they cannot induct new members, MAKING THEM EVEN LESS HARMFUL TO TOWN.

In conclusion, B_Real's argument has been in defense of the political parties against possible Illuminati threat, not in defense of town.

This is good summation of argument against B_Real.
And if B_Real is in a cult, stressball is as well.

Also to stress, THIS WILL BE HELPFUL MEDIA PEEPS:
i.e. Hannity investigates Tendy, Colbert investigates Zilla, Coulter investigates Victus, Olbermann investigates Moogle.

Zilla · 01-28-2009, 08:31 PM

I don't know what to make of this development on Stress Ball... Here's the possibilities running through my mind.

1) Townie unaware of the association he made by defending B_Real, trying to prove his innocence.
2) Cultee of B_Real's who sees that B_Real is doomed anyway and wants to clear the connection he established.
3) Party-aligned that knows B_Real is clean and wants to be cleared by association (hence the "If you need me to prove that I'm not culted, this should do."

Possibility 1 has it's own circumstantial problems, considering the no-lynch vote, the defense of B_Real, and general playstyle that says otherwise. Number 2 is plagued with this: "If B_real turns out to be cult, fine. I'll be lynched." I can't see anything that contests with the third possibility, and his language seems to presuppose that he knows B_Real's alignment and is compeltely 100% confident that B_Real isn't going to be politically aligned, which is an absurd assumption for town to make now that there are, what he says, "At most 8 members factionalized."

Now, I hate to be jumping votes again, but the way it's looking, Stress_Ball is looking like a better target because of his strange relationship with B_Real and how he's now trying to sell that he and B_Real are definitely tied together in alignment. I'm willing to switch if everyone else is.

Professor Smarmiarty · 01-28-2009, 08:42 PM

I don't think we should switch. We have enough on B_Real to impeach when a deadline hits ( I think) and we need to impeach someone as otherwise the cult will walk all over us.
Switching votes at this stage will probably see only a few people switch as not everyone is reading thread constantly and some won't be convinced.
Stressball is an ok target but B_Real is tarnished enough that he is also an ok target.
We should stick with B_Real and if he's cult then Stress Ball most certainly is.

Zilla · 01-28-2009, 08:52 PM

I agree that cult B_Real = cult Stress_Ball. The only problem is that non-cult B_Real =/= non-cult Stress Ball. I guess, also, cult Stress_Ball =/= cult B_Real, see possibility 3 where Stress_Ball is cult trying to tie himself to an innocent. There's also absolutely no way Stress_Ball can be sure B_Real isn't culted, at all, because they could be opposite alignments.

Rhiya Ravenwing · 01-28-2009, 09:03 PM

I'm glad we're getting the media investigation thing sorted, but I still think voting for B_Real is a bad idea.

Nevertheless, because I so TOTALLY don't want to look scummy (/end sarcasm), I'm going to Unvote: Tendronai

Vote: B_Real

Majority is majority. Can't spend days doing absolutely nothing.

Professor Smarmiarty · 01-28-2009, 09:04 PM

That is true but I think there is enough suspicion on both of them that a vote either way is justified and trying to change a wagon is difficult so we might as well stick with our original target. If B_Real is non-cult then we can discuss that tommorow when we also have new media data.
Stress Ball is suspicious but no so ridiculously overwhemingly suspicious to try and change our wagon and possibly end up without the numbers for a n impeachment

01-28-2009, 07:43 PM	#243
Cephrir With no _s! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the wild. Posts: 24	And that proves anything how? __________________ :rmage: See, anytime you do anything, the_e is a one in twenty chance that you will c_itically fail.

01-28-2009, 08:31 PM	#246
Zilla Lakitu Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,378	I don't know what to make of this development on Stress Ball... Here's the possibilities running through my mind. 1) Townie unaware of the association he made by defending B_Real, trying to prove his innocence. 2) Cultee of B_Real's who sees that B_Real is doomed anyway and wants to clear the connection he established. 3) Party-aligned that knows B_Real is clean and wants to be cleared by association (hence the "If you need me to prove that I'm not culted, this should do." Possibility 1 has it's own circumstantial problems, considering the no-lynch vote, the defense of B_Real, and general playstyle that says otherwise. Number 2 is plagued with this: "If B_real turns out to be cult, fine. I'll be lynched." I can't see anything that contests with the third possibility, and his language seems to presuppose that he knows B_Real's alignment and is compeltely 100% confident that B_Real isn't going to be politically aligned, which is an absurd assumption for town to make now that there are, what he says, "At most 8 members factionalized." Now, I hate to be jumping votes again, but the way it's looking, Stress_Ball is looking like a better target because of his strange relationship with B_Real and how he's now trying to sell that he and B_Real are definitely tied together in alignment. I'm willing to switch if everyone else is. __________________ MENCHI Pink It's cowboy time, I'm so MENCHI right now. Metroid is a great man because his friends don't rape him.

01-28-2009, 08:52 PM	#248
Zilla Lakitu Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,378	I agree that cult B_Real = cult Stress_Ball. The only problem is that non-cult B_Real =/= non-cult Stress Ball. I guess, also, cult Stress_Ball =/= cult B_Real, see possibility 3 where Stress_Ball is cult trying to tie himself to an innocent. There's also absolutely no way Stress_Ball can be sure B_Real isn't culted, at all, because they could be opposite alignments. __________________ MENCHI Pink It's cowboy time, I'm so MENCHI right now. Metroid is a great man because his friends don't rape him.

01-28-2009, 09:04 PM	#250
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	That is true but I think there is enough suspicion on both of them that a vote either way is justified and trying to change a wagon is difficult so we might as well stick with our original target. If B_Real is non-cult then we can discuss that tommorow when we also have new media data. Stress Ball is suspicious but no so ridiculously overwhemingly suspicious to try and change our wagon and possibly end up without the numbers for a n impeachment Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 01-28-2009 at 09:10 PM.

01-28-2009, 07:41 PM	#242
Stress Ball Why so sad? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4	Unvote: No Impeachment Vote: B_real Fine. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. We'll get the results from the night actions either way, and it doesn't look like the bandwagon on B_real will be stopping anytime soon. If you need me to prove that I'm not culted, this should do.

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM	#244
Stress Ball Why so sad? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4	Honestly, it doesn't. I have no idea where this is headed, and it seems I've made myself out to be scum. I tried to make an argument using logic that I thought was right, but obviously my logic was flawed. If B_real turns out to be cult, fine. I'll be lynched. My actions seem to have deserved it. However, it seems here, with at most 8 members factionalized right now, that we should be careful about bandwagoning on members, as it will be very easy for the various cults to jump on them.

01-28-2009, 08:42 PM	#247
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I don't think we should switch. We have enough on B_Real to impeach when a deadline hits ( I think) and we need to impeach someone as otherwise the cult will walk all over us. Switching votes at this stage will probably see only a few people switch as not everyone is reading thread constantly and some won't be convinced. Stressball is an ok target but B_Real is tarnished enough that he is also an ok target. We should stick with B_Real and if he's cult then Stress Ball most certainly is.