Mafia: NPF edition

[GARUD]

My mistake. I'll edit it.

[dojindog]

Umm Garud I unvoted Sithdarth too hehe

Edit: To Ogianres y'know what's even more suspicious 7 people voting for the same person. Upon thinking on this I'am going to Vote:Inbred Chocobo

[GARUD]

I knew something was wrong. Also, just make sure all of your votes are visible and in bold.

[GARUD]

You don't need clearance. Just do it. If I have made any mistakes, point them out. I can only learn from them. I try to be a fair GO but I'm not perfect.

[catlover20410]

I haven't been evicted from this, have I?

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by catlover20410

I haven't been evicted from this, have I?

Not that I can tell.

[Truce]

What are my reasons? There are quite a few. He seems too chaotic, hasn't added much himself, and I also want to get the first day over as soon as possible while getting rid of someone who I find suspicious. I'll try to post specific reasons based off individual posts, though.

Originally Posted by dojindog

A Space Pope vote would be more than likely a bad idea Space hasn't eally posted anywhere as of late (I think) and might be going through a period of inactivity there are a few other inactives that I think would be better subjected to an inactivity vote

Originally Posted by dojindog

Okay Okay wait just a second you voted for someone who hasn't even said anything yet?! Are you even aware of how horribly suspicious that is?!

Originally Posted by dojindog

We've been drilling Roy really hard as of late but he has been posting which is more than can be said for a few people. Not posting a lot is just as suspicious as posting a large amount and I noticed Ogrianes hasn't really posted more than just 1 post (if there has been more and I missed it sorry) so I'm gonna have to FoS:Ogrianes.

Okay, first you say that it's a bad idea to vote for someone who hasn't posted yet. Then you go on to say that there are "better" inactives that we should vote for. Now...how in the world could you possibly know that there are "better" inactives to vote for?

Next, you then suspect Ogrianes for posting once. Just once. I don't see how that is much better than not posting at all. You didn't even mention what the contents of the post were-leading me to assume that it was indeed just the post count you were looking at.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Edit: Ninja'd
I like the SpacePope and even in a mafia game I find it hard to just let a friend go undefended. That is why I responded as I did before.

Originally Posted by dojindog

I know that I shouldn't base my action on who I like but even if I didn't like him I'd have a problem with leaving anyone behind if they hadn't had a chance to defend themselves.

Ah, now we see why you defended TheSpacePope, but it's still an extremely weak reason to defend someone because you like them, and even you admitted that. Even the reason you would give even if you didn't like him seemed weak-especially considering you spend a lot of time saying that people should be aggressive.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Hrmm... While I hate to take sides with Mesden I gotta admit she makes a good point. Sithdarth does seem to be trying to convince everyone that he is good and innocent (a bad approach to this game in my opinion) and that Mesden is aggresive and evil and bad (a good approach to this game in my opinion). While that may seem all noble and nice and what not that doesn't work as well in Mafia because you have to vote quickly else the mafiate's will get you. So I think I will have to go with Mesden and Vote:Sithdarth

This post in particular bothered me. First off, it was technically their methods that they were talking about, not the persons themselves. It doesn't say much, and what it does can confuse a person unnecessarily.

Originally Posted by dojindog

I'm not saying that you shouldn't put any thought into your vote. I'm just saying that once you've been swayed to one side enough don't just sit there and diddly-fart around until you are swayed to another PoV it's like a question on a multiple choice test if you don't know it and all else fails just go with your first instinct. Being nice and polite isn't the way to get things done in my opinion aggressive play is the way to go sweat it out of them.

This post bothers me as well, if only because of the comparison with multiple choice tests. You shouldn't just go with your gut instinct if you can't figure out the answer-first, you should eliminate other possibilities, to narrow down what the choices are.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Yes well as long as you are using a number 2 pencil with an eraser putting an answer down on the test doesn't make it immutable either. I'm saying if you don't have anything else to go on Vote. Your voting could possible draw suspicion onto you and the person going after you could slip-up and, Wham! You've caught yourself a mafiate! You should still be willing to change it if new evidence arises though.

This post...just doesn't make sense. I know what he's trying to say, but the post itself doesn't make sense. It's more method madness, with an emphasis on madness.

Originally Posted by dojindog

I'm not trying to say that a certain playstyle is evil I'm just trying to say depending on the situation different playstyle's are more effective like today for example first day needs to be aggresive make 'em sweat make them think that they don't care who gets in your way you ARE going to find them and make them pay. The days afte rare when you can relax look at the evidence and see who slipped up and how but, that's just my 1 A.M. opinion.

In truth though, you were trying to say a certain playstyle was bad. You even said so in one of your previous posts. Trying to deny that was just as bad as Roy saying he didn't defend Neyo. Then you go and use the time of day as an excuse in case someone forces you to eat your words.

Originally Posted by dojindog

A facade is difficult to maintain under extended periods of mental duress that's the foundation upon (to my understanding) Mesden's questioning is based. If you are innocent then you should have no problem whatsoever dealing with Mesden's doubt in your character. Even if she says wasn't serious at first that is how it's working out (in my opinion).

Originally Posted by dojindog

Why would the innocent person be mad at being told he/she was guilty they know it's not true. Just because someone decides to tell me that the sky is green why should it bug me if I have already chosen to tell them no it's blue you are wrong and they persist it's not my problem. It is your choice wether you reply to this post or not. I would take that as your defense. I don't know that other people would but, why should you worry if they vote to ban you and you're innocent you just showed the people who voted to ban you that they were wrong and should be more careful. Well anyway it's getting to be bedtime for me so I'm gonna go saw some logs g'night!

Now these were the two posts that bothered me the most. You just didn't seem to get that innocent people could lose their patience with someone constantly poking at them, and you didn't even stop to consider that someone who has something to hide has already prepared themselves for arguments against their character, and thus may be more restrained than someone who suddenly being accused of something they didn't do.

At least I'm glad to know that you won't be mad if it turns out you're innocent after all. You just showed us that we were wrong, and should be more careful.

Originally Posted by dojindog

I accused Roy of being suspicious because he was stating the same facts just after they were alread mentioned which is slightly spammy (in my eyes) and yes I tail'd Mesden around for a while I know I shouldn't do that but Mesden's ideas seemed really easy to follow at 1:00 in the morning.

B_real was right on target with her assumption on why I hate to side with Mesden and, as I said earlier I sided with Mes because at 1:00 in the morning her ideals were easy to follow I know it's a really bad defense and I hate to use it but it's the truth.

I could understand that point of view if he was actually being voted for on our words (Mesden's really) but I wouldn't be worried about an authority figure trying to throw me in jail if he had no evidence (people voting for me).

More blaming the time of day, more admitting it was a bad defense (pity attempt), and you don't understand that once you're lynched it doesn't matter the reason you were lynched.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Okay you just completely and totally ruined almost your entire offense because you mixed Silly Kitty and Catlover up (what with the bad memory and all) and, by telling us you're not willing to use your sucky computer to even bother looking up your evidence before you made your case. They got onto Roy earlier for not paying attention.

Originally Posted by dojindog

What do you mean we? I didn't know that.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Ok I'll admit it I forgot that I opposed IC's voting SpacePope. I just didn't want to say anything because I just got done running Demonlink2 down because he forgot something.

Why did I quote these? Because they amused me, that's why.

Originally Posted by dojindog

Edit: To Ogianres y'know what's even more suspicious 7 people voting for the same person. Upon thinking on this I'am going to Vote:Inbred Chocobo

There are five mafiates and one cult head. Assuming that all of them voted for the same person, that still means one townie is after you. Also, an insta-lynch would have to be at least more than half of the remaining group, which at this moment is thirteen people, so if you're going to be suspecting people because they happen to be voting the same as a large number of people...well, you're going about it wrong. It's who they vote with that you should be paying attention to, not numbers.

And why go after IC? Why not one of the people who decided to join his side? Really, this seems to be just a weak attempt to try to shift votes away from you anyway you can.

Of course, that's just my 5AM opinion. Yes, that was an attempt on humor right there.

[Daisuke]

I really understand where Ecurt is coming from on this one. Dojindog contradicts himself quite a bit. I was especially surprised by the mention of a SpacePope vote being a bad vote and an Ogianres vote being a good one. I didn't really notice that the first time through. It seems too directed to be as completely arbitrary as it seems.

He also makes a lot of statements while immediately saying he knows they're weak. Things like liking someone's personality. The instance itself didn't mean that much to me, but I think the fact that he uses that defense and immediately says it's a weak one speaks poorly of him.

No offense Dojin, I don't dislike your personality but (/joke) vote: dojindog

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I voted for dojin because he tried to shift suspicion to IC right after he was attacked by someone else. That's what got me thinking about how truly off he seemed to me.

[Steel Shadow]

Ecurt, you are a very persausive man. Maybe it has something to do with that magnificent sig of yours.

Quoth for emphasis:

A Space Pope vote would be more than likely a bad idea Space hasn't eally posted anywhere as of late (I think) and might be going through a period of inactivity there are a few other inactives that I think would be better subjected to an inactivity vote

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Originally Posted by dojindog
Okay Okay wait just a second you voted for someone who hasn't even said anything yet?! Are you even aware of how horribly suspicious that is?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dojindog
We've been drilling Roy really hard as of late but he has been posting which is more than can be said for a few people. Not posting a lot is just as suspicious as posting a large amount and I noticed Ogrianes hasn't really posted more than just 1 post (if there has been more and I missed it sorry) so I'm gonna have to FoS:Ogrianes.

...This is just contradictory. It doesn't look good for you.

also:

Ok I'll admit it I forgot that I opposed IC's voting SpacePope. I just didn't want to say anything because I just got done running Demonlink2 down because he forgot something.

That's just petty vengance. It's not helping the game, and your reason is that he voted for you. So did other people. Just 'cuase he went first doesn't make him any more likely to be mafia. It actualy makes it less likely.

So, for all that: Vote: DojinDog