Unknown Mafia: The Second Coming of The Kneumatic Pnight: Part Deux: The Actual Game - Page 26

Bailey · 05-29-2007, 02:22 PM

Plus, with me, I've got several people's roles figured out already, and they're ALL of them townies.

This is a first. I'd normally have one scum at least by now.

Either there is no scum, ALL of the scum is people I haven't pinned down yet (which I find to be unlikely), or I'm really out of it.

I mean, among others, I'm pretty sure SK and Sithdarth are town aligned, and if KP was making there be people who was scum, I'd think he would make at least ONE of those two evil, considering that he talks to them all the time in the chat and on yaplet.

Sithdarth · 05-29-2007, 02:24 PM

You're expecting KP not to be his usual lazy self, its not a good bet.

Besides even if it is KP doing all the killing No lynch isn't actually going to accomplish anything. All its going to do is slow down how fast we die. Even with the two vig thing if KP was in the mood to totally eliminate Evil roles it would be for the sole purpose of making everyone loose. In which case we're completely screwed no matter what we do.

Oh and we can test out my theory. Its simple really we just lynch a couple more people and then see what happens. If no evil roles come up then we're screwed and we have no other option but to no lynch until KP decides to kill everyone.

Cephrir · 05-29-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecurt

1. I pointed out the Night Roles because there's absolutely no evidence of magic being used at all even though this is supposed to be a witch hunt.

2. We do it now because we can afford to do it because if someone dies now, it won't hurt us as much as it will later on.

3. It's more of a bandwagon for those of you saying "Hey, there's a guy voting no lynch, let's get him!" as we actually are bringing up reasons to why No Lynch might actually work. All you guys are doing right now is saying "No, that's a stupid idea, it's impossible." Literally, in Cephrir's case. The only exception is Sithdarth, but his theories aren't exactly something we can test out, unlike this one.

1. Did you notice how Mesden's role was White Magus? The witches are probably the town power roles, and the vanillas are just the random innocents that get killed.

2. But it will hurt us no matter when we do it. If KP is just screwing with us, we'll find out at the end of the game, but until then we should probably assume that this is an actual game of mafia.

3. All No lynch does is give the mafia and SK free kills. It serves absolutely no purpose. Yes, these two days have been filled with erratic posting. How will rushing through a day give us more information than playing it out. Even if we do no-lynch, we should have some actual discussion before we do it.

Roy_D_Mylote · 05-29-2007, 02:45 PM

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Besides even if it is KP doing all the killing No lynch isn't actually going to accomplish anything.

I believe the basic supposition is that, if the town successfully votes for a no-lynch, then the town wins.

42PETUNIAS · 05-29-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ecurt

3. It's more of a bandwagon for those of you saying "Hey, there's a guy voting no lynch, let's get him!" as we actually are bringing up reasons to why No Lynch might actually work. All you guys are doing right now is saying "No, that's a stupid idea, it's impossible." Literally, in Cephrir's case. The only exception is Sithdarth, but his theories aren't exactly something we can test out, unlike this one.

Except no lynch only helps the mafia, so the idea of them bandwagoning against it is a little silly.

Sithdarth · 05-29-2007, 02:48 PM

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I believe the basic supposition is that, if the town successfully votes for a no-lynch, then the town wins.

Except that if KP was going through all this effort to mess with us he isn't going to leave a possible route to victory open to us. He's just going to sit back and watch us flail around till we're all dead.

42PETUNIAS · 05-29-2007, 02:54 PM

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Except that if KP was going through all this effort to mess with us he isn't going to leave a possible route to victory open to us. He's just going to sit back and watch us flail around till we're all dead.

That really does make more sense than KP giving us a shot at winning. I say we wait two days, try a no lynch if we find nothing, and if that fails, curse at KP.

Moogle0119 · 05-29-2007, 02:58 PM

Exactly what Sithdarth said. The question everyone has been dodging is why must there suddenly be a No Lynch today instead of trying again to get someone. If the point of the game is for KP to have such off-the-wall requirements to win then what was the point of the game in the first place. Just because there has been two lynches and neither one of them showed up as scum does not automatically mean that the rest of the people still playing the game are town-aligned and that there is something fishy going on.

I'm sorry but your entire theory is based around "What if" while my assumption that there are scum roles is based off of past mafia games (i.e. there actually BEING an opposing secret team we must vote off).

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Did you read my post at all?

I mean, even just a little bit?

1. I pointed out the Night Roles because there's absolutely no evidence of magic being used at all even though this is supposed to be a witch hunt.

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Oooo biting sarcasm I love it. You half-way answered the question yourself actually earlier.

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If this is based on the Salem Witch Trials, then there really are no witches

If this is supposed to be just like the Salem Witch hunts then why would it make sense for there to be any real witchcraft at all? Why couldn't the Coven just be a group of crazed psychopaths killing people in order to gain control over the town? Doesn't seem like to much a stretch to me.

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2. We do it now because we can afford to do it because if someone dies now, it won't hurt us as much as it will later on.

Again this is the question that everyone seems to dodge is how will it hurt worse later on if in fact the only way we can win is to vote: no lynch? Nobody has filled in their theory with anything other than "KP will end the game whenever he feels like it" which doesn't sound plausible compared to other mafia games are run.

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Originally Posted by Ecurt

3. It's more of a bandwagon for those of you saying "Hey, there's a guy voting no lynch, let's get him!" as we actually are bringing up reasons to why No Lynch might actually work. All you guys are doing right now is saying "No, that's a stupid idea, it's impossible." Literally, in Cephrir's case. The only exception is Sithdarth, but his theories aren't exactly something we can test out, unlike this one.

And from a logical viewpoint, if this game is being like normal games (with their being scum roles) then it's a definite likelyhood that some of the scum are on the no lynch bandwagon.

Edit: Huge ninja

POS Industries · 05-29-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 42PETUNIAS

Except no lynch only helps the mafia

Which is great except that it has so far been quite obvious that there hasn't been a single mafia hit so far through this game. This most recent night gave us a very good look at the people making the kills, and they both look like vigs. IC's killer seems like a calloused vig who is so convinced that his actions are justified that the murder is as easy as breathing, and Doppler looks like he was killed by a vig who just wants to do the help the greater good but isn't terribly good at it.

I really think Ecurt's analysis is correct and that, with a no lynch vote, the vigs themselves are content that there are no witches to hunt in the night and the game ends.

Sithdarth · 05-29-2007, 03:09 PM

Or, and here is a shocker, KP is purposefully misleading us with the death post.

Also last time I checked people didn't go around at night randomly killing people they thought were witches. They accused them in public and had them burned at that stake. Having a vig at all makes no sense.

05-29-2007, 02:24 PM	#252
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	You're expecting KP not to be his usual lazy self, its not a good bet. Besides even if it is KP doing all the killing No lynch isn't actually going to accomplish anything. All its going to do is slow down how fast we die. Even with the two vig thing if KP was in the mood to totally eliminate Evil roles it would be for the sole purpose of making everyone loose. In which case we're completely screwed no matter what we do. Oh and we can test out my theory. Its simple really we just lynch a couple more people and then see what happens. If no evil roles come up then we're screwed and we have no other option but to no lynch until KP decides to kill everyone.

05-29-2007, 03:09 PM	#260
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Or, and here is a shocker, KP is purposefully misleading us with the death post. Also last time I checked people didn't go around at night randomly killing people they thought were witches. They accused them in public and had them burned at that stake. Having a vig at all makes no sense.