Mafia: Basic

[Mesden]

EDIT: CmP, the one DIRECTLY before mine, you missed a point in it.

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

I don't really agree with voting for him over a joke. I did and still do think he is scummy but I don't want to vote over him just because of a joke. People are voting for hm because of a joke and they think he is copying Mes? Is that it. Am I missing more?

God, it's not like I even reinstated my vote yet. Sheesh.

CmP, come on man, you missed the real context. Maybe I worded it too similarly, but it was just the sequence of events that makes everything look bad in your favor.

"*Joke* DON'T PAY THE JOKE HEED, MESDEN SHOULD NOT BE VOTED FOR THIS!"

For whoever's sake that was almost pathetic in retrospect. I mean, people on this forum are smart and try to turn things gainst each other very well. I should know through first hand exerience.

You started with a joke, turned it into "MESDEN SHOULDN'T BE VOTED YET!" when for fuck's sake attention was ALREADY on me, through my own actions, mind you.

You RAN the first game. Hell you made a comment on how something as simple as a little JOKING arpy action can make even the biggest of snowballs. And you expect someone like YOU on THIS FORUM making ANY kind of conjecture to someone wouldn't bring a lot of attention.

I mean, come ON. This is a NUBILE mafia cycle we've got going on here. The whole "partly because I assumed the mafia crowd would take a joke at face value if somebody told them it was a joke and explained the joke." is gonna fly here?

But, damn it if I get deja vu here, but are you doing the same thing, TWG?

Personally, I'm gonna vote B_Real or CmP. This is just me. Also, I feel like shit right now. Wait until tomorrow for me to get back to my unorthodox self. This is why I'm not gonna vote yet.

Plus, I'll go back over the thread sometime or another.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

What earlier post?

Post number 262.

Originally Posted by Mesden

God, it's not like I even reinstated my vote yet. Sheesh.

CmP, come on man, you missed the real context. Maybe I worded it too similarly, but it was just the sequence of events that makes everything look bad in your favor.

"*Joke* DON'T PAY THE JOKE HEED, MESDEN SHOULD NOT BE VOTED FOR THIS!"

For whoever's sake that was almost pathetic in retrospect. I mean, people on this forum are smart and try to turn things gainst each other very well. I should know through first hand exerience.

You started with a joke, turned it into "MESDEN SHOULDN'T BE VOTED YET!" when for fuck's sake attention was ALREADY on me, through my own actions, mind you.

You RAN the first game. Hell you made a comment on how something as simple as a little JOKING arpy action can make even the biggest of snowballs. And you expect someone like YOU on THIS FORUM making ANY kind of conjecture to someone wouldn't bring a lot of attention.

I mean, come ON. This is a NUBILE mafia cycle we've got going on here. The whole "partly because I assumed the mafia crowd would take a joke at face value if somebody told them it was a joke and explained the joke." is gonna fly here?

But, damn it if I get deja vu here, but are you doing the same thing, TWG?

Personally, I'm gonna vote B_Real or CmP. This is just me. Also, I feel like shit right now. Wait until tomorrow for me to get back to my unorthodox self. This is why I'm not gonna vote yet.

Plus, I'll go back over the thread sometime or another.

Yeah, when you do return, can you answer a few things about that post?
1. "Gods, it's not like I reinstated my vote." Uh, you never unvoted CmP, if that's what you meant. Or maybe you did, and I missed it, but I swear I looked.

2. "But, damn it if I get deja vu here, but are you doing the same thing, TWG?" I admit I am confused as to what you are referring to here.

3. "Personally, I'm gonna vote B_Real or CmP." Um, again, you already voted for CmP, and again, unless I missed something, you never unvoted either.

Also, Silly Kitty, what ARE your criteria for voting? Why were you willing to vote Catlover, but not Cmp?

The Wandering God

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Post number 262.


Yeah, when you do return, can you answer a few things about that post?
1. "Gods, it's not like I reinstated my vote." Uh, you never unvoted CmP, if that's what you meant. Or maybe you did, and I missed it, but I swear I looked.

2. "But, damn it if I get deja vu here, but are you doing the same thing, TWG?" I admit I am confused as to what you are referring to here.

3. "Personally, I'm gonna vote B_Real or CmP." Um, again, you already voted for CmP, and again, unless I missed something, you never unvoted either.

The Wandering God

God I'm so out of it I couldn't even remember I voted for CmP. Sorry about the frustration, TWG.

On the Deja vu, it just feels a bit shadowy like CmP made me feel is all. Not profeessing scummitude or whatever, just a feeling.

[CallmePrismatic]

Again, if I am to be lynched due to the mafia crowd's unhumor, let it be so. Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. I wish I could take back the joke to avoid all the hassle it's caused me, but I will never apologize for not having the precognition to see the outcome. YES, I ASSUMED THAT THE JOKE WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS A JOKE AND WOULD GO NO FURTHER. I see now, through 20/20 hindsight, that the mafia community is still too deadset on their endgoals.

I never said "Mesden shouldn't be voted for", I said "Don't vote for Mesden because of my joke". If people found good evidence against you they should vote then, not because I voted as a joke and they look at me as the end-all-be-all mafia player. I'm not nearly that vain.

Also, I saw TWG's post but he only brought up things that Mesden said before (the joke and how I should have realized in advance the reprecussions using my premonitions, B_real, and 'shadowing' you), so what exact point did I miss?

Also, Silly Kitty, back off, my fight.

[Silly Kitty]

I don't think CMP guilty at the moment. I thought Catlover was guilty from the beginning maybe not guilty of being mafia but guilty. The Catlover vote was just all about deadline.

I am leaving towards CMP and if nothing else is brought up by tomorrow I probably will vote for him. It wouldn't be because of the voting thing. I would be basing my actions off of another game and that is why I am waiting.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

I never said "Mesden shouldn't be voted for", I said "Don't vote for Mesden because of my joke". If people found good evidence against you they should vote then, not because I voted as a joke and they look at me as the end-all-be-all mafia player. I'm not nearly that vain.

You know what irritates me? You take my quote and leave of the ONE word that makes the entire damn thing make sense.

"MESDEN SHOULDN'T BE VOTED FOR, YET!" I believe I said., or the other "MESDEN SHOULD NOT BE VOTED FOR THIS!"

Which, HEY!, makes it EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. Get it right or don't make me look bad by changing it.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Ogianres

The "I voted for a mafiate and thus can't be a mafiate" defense is not one that I would use. First off, it is largely ineffective. Second, it just gets in the way of real logic. And being last to vote for someone doesn't mean a thing. And I could have voted for and swung it towards you, along with another person? Can I assume you are only saying me and TWWDI could do it just because we were the last to vote? If so, that is not a good reason. FOS: B_Real

I was just saying that as a possibility. Which is also why I said it hasnt happened yet (the "I voted for...." ploy). I was just saying, that that was a possibility with you and TWWDI had you both been mafiates. So I'm just saying I'm fairly certain TWWDI isn't mafiate. I have no idea about you, probably Townie as well. But again, we have nothing to go on here other than what we post. The PO sure as hell didn't reveal himself and from the looks of things, the Vig is gone. I am much more concerned with another person we have here, who hasn't yet posted today, I had him/her in my original post that had my FOS at you, but I want to see what he/she does first.

As for all this CmP business. He seems a bit aggressive and very harsh. Silly Kitty trying to help him (without actuall defending him mind you) and him being that forceful at her. I mean sure, he could be a townie who thinks that other people defending him is bad for him (especially if thier mafiate), but seriously, we've had that done so many times that I don't care WHO people defend, so long as their reasoning makes sense. When it comes down to it, if people want to defend me without me asking them, go right on ahead. More help for me and less I have to do in terms of defending myself. I'm not going to be lynched because of thier actions. I'm going to be lynched because of my actions. And so

VOTE: CmP

Edit: grammar made last sentences look REALLY bad.

[CallmePrismatic]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

As for all this CmP business. He seems a bit aggressive and very harsh. Silly Kitty trying to help him (without actuall defending him mind you) and him being that forceful at her. I mean sure, he could be a townie who thinks that other people defending him is bad for him (especially if thier mafiate), but seriously, we've had that done so many times that I don't care WHO people defend, so long as their reasoning makes sense. When it comes down to it, if people want to defend me without me asking them, go right on ahead. More help for me and less I have to do in terms of defending myself. I'm not going to be lynched because of thier actions. I'm going to be lynched because of my actions. And so

VOTE: CmP

Edit: grammar made last sentences look REALLY bad.

Why did I snap at Silly Kitty? Well, (1) I'm a guy so the whole "Fuck you, I'll deal with my troubles myself"-instict kicked in, but also because (2) I have to assume that everyone who isn't dead or a revealed townie is a threat to me.

You say that only you can get yourself lynched by your own actions but that is wrong. A mafiate defending you basically gives you a stigma as someone the mafia wanted to protect...a fellow mafiate.

Telling someone not to defend you is no means for a vote.

Of course, I've just realized that arguing with people not to blindly follow Mesden is a lost cause. She's a confirmed townie so, like TWG, you'll automatically assume that she can't be wrong, even though she's isn't the revealed PO. All that Mesden has on her side right now is her own innocence, not a foolproof method of figuring out the innocence or guilt of others.

I am a little curious though Mesden, when did or when were you going to Unvote me. It's obvious that you thought you took away the vote, so what did (/would have done) it for you?

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

I am a little curious though Mesden, when did or when were you going to Unvote me. It's obvious that you thought you took away the vote, so what did (/would have done) it for you?

I'm sorry. I've been having a few troubles with memory pending a recent accident and at that moment I was just in a bad state.

I think, after looking over it, I (Not in this order) thought I hadn't voted for you, thought I voted for you and took it away and thought I had voted for you normally.

God you don't know how much I want to get rid of that post. But, I'll give you everything I really think tomorrow. Maybe I'll be a bit better then.

EDIT: Also, did you just ignore how you took only part of my quote, used it as a defense and I called you on it? It's a simple matter, really.

[CallmePrismatic]

Misinterpretation on my part, although now that I look closer on the post I fail to see what it relates to exactly.

"*Joke* DON'T PAY THE JOKE HEED, MESDEN SHOULD NOT BE VOTED FOR THIS!"

For whoever's sake that was almost pathetic in retrospect. I mean, people on this forum are smart and try to turn things gainst each other very well. I should know through first hand exerience.

Ok, so you're saying I give mafia players...too little credit in regards to deducing? Or are you saying that I intentionally voted for you, not as a joke, but as a way to get people to vote for you out of the game as quickly as possible, banking on how people would naturally vote you out after I 'started it'.

You started with a joke, turned it into "MESDEN SHOULDN'T BE VOTED YET!" when for fuck's sake attention was ALREADY on me, through my own actions, mind you.

Ok, maybe I messed up a little, but throughout the first part of the game I wanted it to be read as "Don't vote Mesden because of ME". Maybe it's semantics but I didn't want people to rush to the polls and lynch you over a joke and then leave me with egg all over my face.

What I still don't get concerning all of this joke debacle is what I would have gained from it if, as TWG and Mes believe, I didn't mean it as a joke.