Cults And Cult Culture 101

[Hanuman]

Originally Posted by Kepor

Peace officer is just another name for law enforcement officer, although not as commonly used. You're in Canada, right? I believe Canada's criminal code refers to cops as peace officers. This plan could be referring to something else, as I believe there are a few kinds of peace officer running about, but I don't think they are.

The funny thing is that Peace Officer here generally means Civil Good Doing Guy... it can mean anyone from the mayor to a police officer to... a pilot.
Seems the requirements to be a pilot are the same for a paladin.

[Seil]

Let me get this straight - I am a young, white male living on Vancouver Island. I'm not old enough to have fought in World War I or II, I did not take part in the battles to end slavery. I have not attended Woman's Lib or been involved with the feminist movement in the sixties. I did not mellow out at Woodstock, or attempt to live a bohemian life style in a smoky jazz bar. I grew up on a farm in Ontario, and moved to the small towns Parksville and Qualicum Beach on the island, and define myself the way all other teens my age do - either with a creative outlet like art or music, or through the creative talents of others.

I believe Tyler Durden said it best in the movie Fight Club - "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact." We are the middle children of history.

But there are those who would argue that we have an even bigger fight - to fight against society. There are those who preach the message of the Zeitgeist films, those who apply the teachings of The Freeman Group, listing to "Rob's Very Cunning Plan." Let me get this straight - I don't have any beef with these groups. I'm not looking to wage a one-man war against "revolutionaries."

I take issue with those who apply to the group, it's membership. They're free to do what they please, but as revolutionaries, they're very condescending. I'm a sensitive guy - more of a dog than anything else, and if you shout at me I'll run off with a tail atwixt my legs. So when someone argues with me that, like "The government is abusing you, man. You, and the rest of the mindless sheeple. Here's a three hour YouTube video that proclaims the truth!"

It's not good marketing. These people are message boxes, repeating what they hear, and not teaching it. A good teacher is someone who will help you to understand. They will show you things, answer your questions. They will allow you to discover your own way and allow you to insert your own meaning into a message. The... revolutionaries will shout their message to anyone within earshot, forcing it on you - and anything that you have to say in retort, any questions you mention will simply label you as "a product of the man, man."

Revolutionary isn't the right term. A revolutionary tries to fix what isn't broken, and implies a team of individuals fighting towards a common good. These people may be unhappy with the current status quo, sure, and they may fight to change it - but they're not revolutionaries. They're more... anarchists. Trying to disrupt a balance. Whether that balance is good or bad, we're all deciding for ourselves, trying to decide. We're looking for teachers - but instead we're encountering extremists.

The weird thing is that what's needed is a discussion - something where people can talk about things. Where people can present their evidence, and support their cases... But whatever evidence is presented by the opposing side, it would only strengthen their beliefs. If you tell someone that their religion/group has been proven false, then it only strengthens their belief because "the corruption has claimed another victim, man! Join the fight to silence the dissenters."

I guess I'm a sheep. A stooge, blindly stepping to the beat of the government's drum. Or religion's drum. Or... whoever. Whatever. But I guess I'm comfortable with an evil, totalitarian government. Or a false god. Whatever.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Yeah it would be nice for a free and open forum where people don't get arrested for challenging the government and don't have to overcome what is effectively brainwashing from birth. It's not going to happen thouhg.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Seil

Let me get this straight - I am a young, white male living on Vancouver Island. I'm not old enough to have fought in World War I or II, I did not take part in the battles to end slavery. I have not attended Woman's Lib or been involved with the feminist movement in the sixties. I did not mellow out at Woodstock, or attempt to live a bohemian life style in a smoky jazz bar. I grew up on a farm in Ontario, and moved to the small towns Parksville and Qualicum Beach on the island, and define myself the way all other teens my age do - either with a creative outlet like art or music, or through the creative talents of others.

I believe Tyler Durden said it best in the movie Fight Club - "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact." We are the middle children of history.

But there are those who would argue that we have an even bigger fight - to fight against society. There are those who preach the message of the Zeitgeist films, those who apply the teachings of The Freeman Group, listing to "Rob's Very Cunning Plan." Let me get this straight - I don't have any beef with these groups. I'm not looking to wage a one-man war against "revolutionaries."

I take issue with those who apply to the group, it's membership. They're free to do what they please, but as revolutionaries, they're very condescending. I'm a sensitive guy - more of a dog than anything else, and if you shout at me I'll run off with a tail atwixt my legs. So when someone argues with me that, like "The government is abusing you, man. You, and the rest of the mindless sheeple. Here's a three hour YouTube video that proclaims the truth!"

It's not good marketing. These people are message boxes, repeating what they hear, and not teaching it. A good teacher is someone who will help you to understand. They will show you things, answer your questions. They will allow you to discover your own way and allow you to insert your own meaning into a message. The... revolutionaries will shout their message to anyone within earshot, forcing it on you - and anything that you have to say in retort, any questions you mention will simply label you as "a product of the man, man."

Revolutionary isn't the right term. A revolutionary tries to fix what isn't broken, and implies a team of individuals fighting towards a common good. These people may be unhappy with the current status quo, sure, and they may fight to change it - but they're not revolutionaries. They're more... anarchists. Trying to disrupt a balance. Whether that balance is good or bad, we're all deciding for ourselves, trying to decide. We're looking for teachers - but instead we're encountering extremists.

The weird thing is that what's needed is a discussion - something where people can talk about things. Where people can present their evidence, and support their cases... But whatever evidence is presented by the opposing side, it would only strengthen their beliefs. If you tell someone that their religion/group has been proven false, then it only strengthens their belief because "the corruption has claimed another victim, man! Join the fight to silence the dissenters."

I guess I'm a sheep. A stooge, blindly stepping to the beat of the government's drum. Or religion's drum. Or... whoever. Whatever. But I guess I'm comfortable with an evil, totalitarian government. Or a false god. Whatever.

So basically what you're saying is that we need a zombie apocalypse, right?

[Seil]

I'm saying that cults I can deal with. Cult fanboys and conspiracists I can't. I argue.

[Azisien]

Conspiracists are pretty annoying. But they are also entertaining to watch documentaries of!

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Yeah it would be nice for a free and open forum where people don't get arrested for challenging the government and don't have to overcome what is effectively brainwashing from birth. It's not going to happen thouhg.

Households where people are aware of said brainwashing is a good start. Parents, make sure you explain the messed up shit in our society to our kids, or they'll just keep messing shit up.

[Seil]

This was in response to the big chunk of text I wrote up there:

Well, first of all I dont think you have gotten anything straight. I dont really understand the first paragraph of your rant but I think the basic idea is that we have nothing to fight for. Totally untrue for reasons I will not go into in this note for fear of being labeled a conspiracy nut and getting lumped into a catagory that consists of a wide variety of people. (Remember we are all just people and noone is the same) With that attitude nothing would ever get done.

Now you may enjoy the current situation, working as a drone for the govt. (who are supposed to work for you), and being raped of your commonlaw rights and freedoms, but I and I know alot of other people have been needing and expecting a change for a while now. Some alot longer than I beacuse as you pointed out we have not been around for long, but I for one could not be happier to be born in a time of such great change.

I noticed you talked about a war on society. Well lets look at the deffenition of society. Legally a society is a group of people sharing the same beleifs to act on a common goal. Now you tell me this so called society known as Canada, what is the common goal? There is none, and you can not begin to tell me that all canadians share the same beleifs. This is beacuse Canada is not a society it is a corperate entity. You are a bond to the Canadian govt. Take a look at the back of your birth certificate. See that number? That is a bond tracking number and it generates revenue every year. You have the power as a Canadian citizen to order the federal minister of finance to use that money on your behalf towards anything for student loans to parking tickets. (I never intend to pay another ticket out of my own pocket again) So if Cannada is not a society then who is fighting against society? Is it you? Are you starting a fight against the Freeman Society. I think we can take you .

What group are you taking issue with in P4, and why would you have issues with those who apply. You say "As revolutionaries they're very condescending. I'm a sensitive guy - more of a dog than anything else, and if you shout at me I'll run off with a tail atwixt my legs." Well learn to stand up for your rights man! The only one who can empower you is yourself. Knoledge is the key. (Also, you really shouldn't start a new paragraph in the middle of what should be one scentence.)

I understand that the best way to get people interested in what you say is not to shove it in their face, but this is the most important movement of the last 30 years. If people could grasp the concept and understand the importance of this it would change the face of the earth. And it will.

Now for the teaching bit I assume that your talking about me, but it is unclear and seems like you could also be talking about Rob. Correct me if im wrong but is all teaching not just repeating information you have heard, read, or obtained from some other source? Now if you had any questions you could have asked me and engaged in an open discussion. You chose to write vauge semi articles, making reference to things and then not even adressing the issues they bring to light, and unintentionally bending people to your way of thinking which seems authoritative to the untrained mind. As for Rob he is the most amazing teacher I have ever seen in my life. There are a ton of lessons on laws and issues related to the Freeman Society on his you tube page if you would like to have a look. http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmitee

How can you force you message on people? Well the Govt. does it everyday but once again we will not go into that. No one can force you to think like them. I for one take in all imformation and try to keep what feels true to me. Really you say your not a product of the man but you dont seem to produce anything that leads me to beleive otherwise. Right now your starting to seem alot like you have been hired to spread disimformation, but that allright beacuse im not going to let that happen :P. If a revolutionary implies a team of individuals fighting toward a common good. I think the Freeman Society fits the revolutionary bill perfectly!

I am always open to discussion, and as you can see I am never short an opinion so i beleive facebook can serve that purpose sufficiently. I have presented a fair bit of evidance, something you have failed to do in these little rants so next time you start. Come up with a case you have against some conspiracy that you think I beleive in, and lets see who actually has their facts straight. Are you an anarchist for wanting to live in a society working toward peace and abundance, and exercising their dundemental rights and freedoms instead of one working toward destuction and exercising deceipt? I say NO WAY. Too many people I have talked to lately have had the same or similar mindset than you. "We need rules!" "Thats to anarchistic for me!" Our rules are already implace. These are the laws in canada: You may not cause harm to another person, You way not steal or damage another persons personal property, and you may not engage in fraude or willful deceipt. There is no need to let these statutes and bylaws have the power of law over us. It is time to claim out commonlaw rights to assemble, organize, and llive without contract to this corperate entity that we have let grow untrimmed for too long.

[Premmy]

Did that guy use "I and I"? were you debating on a Rasta forum?

[Darth SS]

I think the interesting these kinds of people is that modern "revolutionaries" inevitably feel that they are THE group that is going to show the world. Like they have some kind of divine mission, they must be the saviours for the rest of us sheeple because no one else will ever accomplish this. Perhaps more interesting is when I take this mindset and compare it against various people and groups I've been studying in a variety of polisci classes. Really, I could make a massive list, but I think it can best be summarized in one example.

Naradnaya Voldya and all of it's members- Band of middle class students who were also left wing revolutionaries in late 1800's Russia. Were vocally disgusted with the masses and their willingness to be pawns for the czar and his regime. They decided around 1878ish that it had to be them that overthrew the monarchists of the world now. Violent acts were meant to show the masses that resistance was possible, and they were so utterly convinced that everyone would become inspired and fall behind them. They were all executed in 1881 after they tried to assassinate the czar. Perhaps most famously, one of their key members was Lenin's little brother.

Lenin- Overthrew the monarchists in Russia and founded the USSR. He altered the course of history. He didn't label himself as a movement, and even declared (paraphrasing here) "I'm just a pawn in history. If I fail, someone else will replace me until the revolution has achieved it's goal."

Funny how that worked, eh? The guys trying to build a cult failed massively, whereas the guy who just wanted to be a single cog in the machine succeeded. That said, this all fits with what George Sorel said in "Reflections on Violence." People want to have a great myth to lose themselves in. It delivers a feeling of personal worth and accomplishment. As a result, it's actually those that keep perspective that are exceptional.