My Big Heroes Rant (season 3 With Spoilers)

[MFD]

He had to escape Hiro first to avoid the poit-back-in-the-coffin trick.

Also, if I may, Nathan's storylines always intrigue me. Whenever they remember to use him, he's gold. The only one to stay consistently my favorite character through every clusterfuck.

I hated having him be a made hero rather than a natural one, but the conflict it sets up between him and his parents is just too delicious.

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

"Even I told them to destroy it." So what, he's cool with killing everyone with a disease, but not with having everyone die by blowing the planet up with their powers? Some criminal mastermind he's supposed to be.

Adam's whole persona thing is based on him being better than everyone because he's a god. Immortal and stuffs. Making everyone special- possibly more special than him- is not on his agenda.

Oh, and how exactly is he going to kill Hiro, who could feasibly teleport him into space or something? Or stop time and beat him silly, then tie him up?

[Bells]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Which is dumb because they had the original idea of having an ever-shifting cast and decided, hey, let's fall for the exact same problem superhero comic books already fall for!

Oh my god's sweet sugarloaf... how many times yo'ure going to bring that one up? Not that you're not right (you are 100% trully right) but now you're just sounding like the old guy complaining to the police going "I had to kill them, i told them to get of lawn and they didnt"

Although, for all that's worth, i still hope that they will revisit that idea... my "solution" remains.

The Heroes solution:

Kill nathan, make Peter go mad about it, Sylar goes good. Joins Noah, kill peter together with mamma petrelli and Adam. World is saved.
Then, forget about Nikiclone (or at least make GOOD use of her), give us villains that DONT die 5 minutes after they appear for the first time. Make Hiro stop being stupid, Have Mohinder kill Maya, make him go emo somewhere FAR from the storyline. Bring parkman back, fuck the Speeder storyline give the guy a proper story.

On season 4, have a bunch of new heroes being coached from a new organization managed by Sylar and Noah, against a mistery organization of villains, with Special appearanced from the other heroes every now and then.

Last but not least... REPLACE WRITERS

There. Show saved.

[Osterbaum]

Oh, and how exactly is he going to kill Hiro, who could feasibly teleport him into space or something? Or stop time and beat him silly, then tie him up?

When enraged you wont normally think of the consequences or if you can achieve your goal or not.

[Mesden]

Oh man this show is absolute shit holy crap.

It's like I'm watching entirely to see what HRG does now. I don't know how you can mess up Hiro but man they pulled it off in spades.

[Mirai Gen]

Satan's Onion - don't forget the Illusion Chick, who got eaten in Season 2!

Yeah women really have a shitty gig in this show.

[Solid Snake]

Hey on the bright side, as a huge Lost fan I'm no longer hearing any of the gloating I heard two years ago about how this new show Heroes was going to do everything Lost did, but better.
Lost has had its ups and downs, but I'm still quite excited for Season Five of the only show that's pulled off complex conspiracies in such a way as to actually make me give a damn.
(Oh wait...let's not forget The X-Files...)

[Lumenskir]

Satan's Onion - don't forget the Illusion Chick, who got eaten in Season 2!

Yeah women really have a shitty gig in this show.

I'd actually go so far to say that Candice's death was pretty much the final farewell to everything that made Heroes Season 1 watchable.

I remember reading interviews with Heroes writers back during Season 1 where they were sort of in awe/annoyance at the fact that Kring was restricting them from just throwing in an eye-blast guy and animal guy and whatever other guy they liked from X-Men, and instead they were being forced to write for characters whose abilities had been assigned based on how it would affect the character. I mean, remember when the most devastating thing to happen to Parkman was him mind-reading the fact that his friend was having sex with his wife? Or that Isaac's ability was triggered by his heroin usage, so that even thinking about giving up a truly harmful addiction also meant denying him the visions that were propelling his art career and giving clues for the safety of others?

Now sure, some of the meted out abilities could be a bit too on-the-nose (the guy hiding from the Agency has...invisibility), but you could always tell that the character had been thought of first, and then was given an ability to complement that character, which would then further the happenings.

Candice, I thought, was the best product of such a system. Not only did she have a great power (I am however biased in favor of thinking intelligent illusioners are awesome), and the smarts to use it effectively (scoping out HRG's wife long enough to know how to trick him, giving Micah just enough rope to realize how trapped he was, etc.), but the writers subtly hinted at the fact that, in addition to whatever other tricks she threw out in the course of the plot, she was putting up a constant facade solely to hide a body she didn't like. To me, that's just a pretty great way of making a character and then assigning the perfect power for that character and the actress played it kind of coolly detached which was great.

Then Season 2 comes around and she falls in love with Sylar(?) and apparently forgets she should play it safe around a known powered-killer and is ended, along with the last vestige of good character creation. She's replaced by Alejandro, whose ability to negate his sister's ability means he was created solely so that he could die when his sister learned to control her own power.

I guess it was good while it lasted.

Hey on the bright side, as a huge Lost fan I'm no longer hearing any of the gloating I heard two years ago about how this new show Heroes was going to do everything Lost did, but better.

Just to tie this into what I said up above, the show clearly started out because someone realized that the biggest complaint against Lost was the fact that it "didn't answer questions", and the decision that each season (or whatever) be a 'self-contained' volume did offer the promise of succinct conclusions to any lingering plot problems. However, at some point they seemed to conclude that everyone who watches Lost does it just for the hope of an answer, which is ridiculous. If you stick around with Lost, you do it because it has a rich world populated by characters who are interesting to watch, and hey, every so often something interesting happens to the characters and the world, but at least in those event-lean times you still get to hang out with watchable characters.

Heroes apparently figured that if people want a constant stream of quick answers, the best solution was to ask (and then answer) a constant stream of big questions, and then the next logical step is to make all of those questions and the attendant answers into a constant stream of BIG PLOT TWISTS. You can see something similar at work in soap operas, and yet the writers on Heroes go one step below soap operas because they seem to hate their characters. My grandmother watched her stories up until she died and when I watched them with her she wouldn't stop talking about how unexpected it was that such-and-such would betray whoever or get an abortion or something (read as: BIG PLOT TWIST) and then by the end of the episode it would be revealed that it was actually the work of a mind altering magic spell or it was a doppleganger-twin or whatever, but the point is the fact that she was wondering why the characters were acting so against their established nature.

Heroes, meanwhile, in an effort to really capture that elusive high, has pretty much co-opted the characters into walking BIG PLOT TWISTS. Think about how surprising it'll be if the characters act in whatever way we need, regardless of it makes any sense or not! Forget introducing new characters with different personalities, we'll just keep using the same actors we already have and just give them an episode-long personality change for the same effect! The viewers will always be surprised, we'll kill Lost and BSG and, fuck it, even Fringe! It's foolproof I tell ya!!

[Bells]

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

If you stick around with Lost, you do it because it has a rich world populated by characters who are interesting to watch, and hey, every so often something interesting happens to the characters and the world, but at least in those event-lean times you still get to hang out with watchable characters.

And actualy to prove you right, all i have to say is that i Watched Lost Season 4, just because of Daniel and Desmond.

It's trully sad that in just a few episodes Heroes has come to a point where it can only survive if there is something -REALLY- great ready to happen, or if there is a REALLY big change coming... other than that... i cant see season 4.

[Mondt]

Hey guys, at least for the time being, Peter isn't a living, breathing, really really stupid Deus Ex Machina anymore. And Sylar is a good guy. For explainable reasons! And Noah is going to be bad now for personal shit. Not to mention Suresh isn't in his own world anymore, but that was a lot of visits for one episode. Parkman is mysteriously out of africa but at least he's out of africa. Hiro finally isn't fucking stupid. This episode wasn't made of TOTAL FAIL OH MY GOD FINALLY