Nice Comment about how anime has gone "down hill" over the years - Page 3

**Satan's Onion** · 09-18-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Khael Almighty

Yes! Yes, yes! And Sailor Moon was hugely edited from the Japanese version because of certain censor requirements! Which probably screwed up the entire series! (If I were a girl, I'd probably be brave enough to watch a copy of the original with subtitles.... :shifty: )

Probably?

Buddy, you don't know the half of it.

I mean, really. Cousins? Was that the best they could come up with for Haruka and Michiru, cousins!? Oh, for the chance to smack whoever dreamt up that little gem...

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope · 09-18-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

Yu-gi-oh is meant for high school age group, not ten year olds. And now you know why we all hate 4kids

This is how 4Kids treats its anime's and why we hate them for it.

[ray.z] · 09-19-2006, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

All in all, I prefer the shorter, 1-to-2 season series more. The style of plot development in the longer series just doesn't appeal to me.

And then, of course, you have Haruhi, which is 14 episodes of pure, undiluted orgasm

I think most people would prefer a shorter series more, due to the fact that they are just so much better when it comes to overall quality.

...

And I'll post a couple of sites about anime's being mutilated ....

SaveOnePiece.com

DBZ Uncensored

I wish I could see that unedited Yu-Gi-Oh

Fighter=Genius · 09-20-2006, 04:34 PM

Um...just wow about that unedited yugioh thing. Honestly if that's what had aired here I'd have watched every episode. And this may seem kinda random but what are your opions on the FLCL dub?

Kenryoku_Maxis · 09-20-2006, 07:16 PM

Anime now adays is not nessisarily 'worse' than it use to be. However, when there has been more shows out than I ever saw back in the 90s and less good shows, then that means something is wrong. When I have access to 10x the amount of Anime but only see half or less of the amount of shows being of the quality I would say is 'good or excellent', then to me its an accurate statement that Anime after 2000 hasn't been 'as good' as the 90s or 80s.

And this is coming from someone who has some of his favorite shows post-2000. Hajime no Ippo, Kodomo no Omocha, Princess Tutu, Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Ah! Megami-sama, Utawarerumono and some others. Still, the amount of shows I would say are must-see series and have amazing characters and plot are still much fewer in number, despite some of them being as good or even better than a lot of shows before it.

From 1992 to 2000, I can name at least 5 (many times 10 or more) whole series a year which were either good or amazing. I can only name about 1-3 per year from 2000 on. This is where many people's perception of Animes quality 'lessening' comes from. And the change in Animation quality is a whole 'nother subject that puts a whole confusing set of pluses and minuses to this argument as well...

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Edit: Another problem that makes this subject so heated is that a lot of people who are for '90s is better' did get into Anime before 2000 and a lot of those who are for 'Newer Anime is better' got into Anime Post 2000 (with shows like Naruto, Love Hina and Full Metal Alchimest). But its not as simple as nostalgia vs incompetence. For many of the people, myself included, I view that the90s had the best run of Anime because I can look at all of objectively. There's been shows I use to obsess over that I no longer enjoy as much, like Magic Knight Rayearth or Escaflowne. And at the same time, I see people doing the same thing and saying all the same things I said about those shows in the past for shows like Full Metal Alchimest, Bleach and even shows I really really like such as Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

And so time is the only real judge of how this argument will play out. And many of the people I know who started on the post 2000 shows have been very hesitent to watch anything before 2000 (mostly due to 'worse animation'). But as I get them exposed to it, they start to see what is good about the past shows and many of them have started to feel like perhaps the 90s was the best time. When any given year could produce a run of Sailor Moon, Ranma, Kenshin, Eva, Slayers, Saber Marionette, Sakura Taisen and Gundam all at the same time. I really just don't see such things happening post 2000, where Anime is mostly 40 Ecchi/Romance comedy clones, 5 Shonen Action Series, 5 Shonen Sports Series, Gundam Seed Destiny Again Overdrive Redux Season 59-2, a couple shows based on popular non-h games, Pokemon, Digimon and a handful of hit-or-miss original series.

Majin Darshe · 09-25-2006, 10:50 AM

What I mean about Khael exagerating was that all of these Cardgame/Toy shows ARE NOT going to go up to high-quality shows and murder them are anything. They'll always be there, and they'll always be made. You just have to keep looking. Hell, in my opinion, people who say there's no more good anime are just people who are too lazy to go out and take risks.

And honestly, I don't see why we're stilling complaining about edited anime so much, as it's really become such a very smal percentage of all the anime that's being released in the states, and most of the shows that have been edited that are worth damn have already been given uncut releases.

Mirai Gen · 09-25-2006, 12:37 PM

For the record, I really hate it any time when a single person becomes so fucking apeshit powerful that they singlehandedly kick the shit out of Mr. Bad Guy 1-10, then they have a season 2.

I fucking hate it.

It's Dragon Ball Z all over again. It's nonsensical, and it's stupid. It's everything that I hate about Anime, and everyone's been doing it. Bleach did it after they finished with the Spirit City story arc, Naruto did it after they stopped fucking around with Zabuza and Haku and got into the tournament, and Dragon Ball Z did it after it got the "Z" in it's title.

It especially doesn't make sense in the 'better' anime, like Naruto for instance. How can this kid kick the shit out of ninjas thrice his skill, and only be a fucking chump? Why is he still pulling weeds and walking dogs if he could trounce people twice his age?

I still liked Naruto and Bleach, but I stopped watching at around those points.

Sailor Moon thankfully never really did that, since it was more about the "Hidden bad guys" and not really about the "Power levels."

And, yeah, Sailor Moon got hacked when it came to the US. Heavily. I'd like to see it uncut, if only because I had this Sailor Moon thing when I was 13 and onwards.

...I never even got to see the final battle with Beryl...

Majin Darshe · 09-25-2006, 02:33 PM

Well...thank you for all of that, although I don't really think it adds much to this discussion, since I believe that the entire point of this topic is that there IS more anime out there than the shows you are mentioning...

And keep pushing for Bleach, the Arrancar Arc should be hear soon enough (waves a flag for Ulquirra)

Aerozord · 09-26-2006, 12:26 AM

to get this out of the way. I have no problem with mindless slaughter. Heck you can even get a sick pleasure out of it. Like the Broly movie, I doubt I was the only one that enjoyed seeing Goku and gang have their butts handed to them.

Naruto I am not a huge fan of, mainly because if Naruto is ever gonna lose well what do you know the fox demon gives him more power. That fox was the strongest creature period. Besides later on it amounts to who has more chakra. Worst of all, I have NEVER seen Naruto act like a ninja. Ninjas are agents of stealth. They spy and quietly assasinate. They aren't warriors that fight in grand one on one battles. A ninja sneaks into your house and slits your throat while you sleep

Besides, what ninja dresses in bright orange?

I dont hate Naruto, but I rarely get an episode I would want to see more then once.

Back on topic. That is an excellent point about how we cant look too objectively at 21st century anime. But we can still compare the trend from anime in the 80's to the 90's.

From what I have heard, anime production in Japan has become rather mechanicnized. Plots and characters decided by marketing teams and commitees. But that isn't really that new, after all most anime is nothing more then an animated manga. Most are straight ports like Naruto, DBZ, and Bleach.

The_Phat_G · 09-26-2006, 12:57 AM

What really gets me are these shitty anime-only arcs, like the Bounto arc with Bleach or the current arc in Naruto (I dunno what it's called, cuz I don't actually watch it). I was seriously pissed off when Bleach's new arc amounted to be nothing more than one of those crappy new-age vampire jigs.

Seriously, what's up with this shit? Why can't they just stick with the manga's storyline?

09-20-2006, 04:34 PM	#24
Fighter=Genius I will help you till you bleeed Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cuddled up by River and/or LP Posts: 37	Um...just wow about that unedited yugioh thing. Honestly if that's what had aired here I'd have watched every episode. And this may seem kinda random but what are your opions on the FLCL dub? __________________ -The original KatarWolf Most used phrases- "Bah screw rogues" \| "Give _____ to the assassins" \| "If you can read this you're not leveling you slacker"

09-20-2006, 07:16 PM	#25
Kenryoku_Maxis 87% Pokemon Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California, Somewhere Therin Posts: 2,405	Anime now adays is not nessisarily 'worse' than it use to be. However, when there has been more shows out than I ever saw back in the 90s and less good shows, then that means something is wrong. When I have access to 10x the amount of Anime but only see half or less of the amount of shows being of the quality I would say is 'good or excellent', then to me its an accurate statement that Anime after 2000 hasn't been 'as good' as the 90s or 80s. And this is coming from someone who has some of his favorite shows post-2000. Hajime no Ippo, Kodomo no Omocha, Princess Tutu, Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Ah! Megami-sama, Utawarerumono and some others. Still, the amount of shows I would say are must-see series and have amazing characters and plot are still much fewer in number, despite some of them being as good or even better than a lot of shows before it. From 1992 to 2000, I can name at least 5 (many times 10 or more) whole series a year which were either good or amazing. I can only name about 1-3 per year from 2000 on. This is where many people's perception of Animes quality 'lessening' comes from. And the change in Animation quality is a whole 'nother subject that puts a whole confusing set of pluses and minuses to this argument as well... ----- Edit: Another problem that makes this subject so heated is that a lot of people who are for '90s is better' did get into Anime before 2000 and a lot of those who are for 'Newer Anime is better' got into Anime Post 2000 (with shows like Naruto, Love Hina and Full Metal Alchimest). But its not as simple as nostalgia vs incompetence. For many of the people, myself included, I view that the90s had the best run of Anime because I can look at all of objectively. There's been shows I use to obsess over that I no longer enjoy as much, like Magic Knight Rayearth or Escaflowne. And at the same time, I see people doing the same thing and saying all the same things I said about those shows in the past for shows like Full Metal Alchimest, Bleach and even shows I really really like such as Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. And so time is the only real judge of how this argument will play out. And many of the people I know who started on the post 2000 shows have been very hesitent to watch anything before 2000 (mostly due to 'worse animation'). But as I get them exposed to it, they start to see what is good about the past shows and many of them have started to feel like perhaps the 90s was the best time. When any given year could produce a run of Sailor Moon, Ranma, Kenshin, Eva, Slayers, Saber Marionette, Sakura Taisen and Gundam all at the same time. I really just don't see such things happening post 2000, where Anime is mostly 40 Ecchi/Romance comedy clones, 5 Shonen Action Series, 5 Shonen Sports Series, Gundam Seed Destiny Again Overdrive Redux Season 59-2, a couple shows based on popular non-h games, Pokemon, Digimon and a handful of hit-or-miss original series. __________________ "You fight pretty tough for someone without Health Insurance." -Homer Simpson Star Trek > Star Wars. But both are irreversibly off-track. Just realize we can always trust in the sanctity of Indiana Jones and the Simpsons! Oh wait... Last edited by Kenryoku_Maxis; 09-20-2006 at 07:30 PM.

09-25-2006, 12:37 PM	#27
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	For the record, I really hate it any time when a single person becomes so fucking apeshit powerful that they singlehandedly kick the shit out of Mr. Bad Guy 1-10, then they have a season 2. I fucking hate it. It's Dragon Ball Z all over again. It's nonsensical, and it's stupid. It's everything that I hate about Anime, and everyone's been doing it. Bleach did it after they finished with the Spirit City story arc, Naruto did it after they stopped fucking around with Zabuza and Haku and got into the tournament, and Dragon Ball Z did it after it got the "Z" in it's title. It especially doesn't make sense in the 'better' anime, like Naruto for instance. How can this kid kick the shit out of ninjas thrice his skill, and only be a fucking chump? Why is he still pulling weeds and walking dogs if he could trounce people twice his age? I still liked Naruto and Bleach, but I stopped watching at around those points. Sailor Moon thankfully never really did that, since it was more about the "Hidden bad guys" and not really about the "Power levels." And, yeah, Sailor Moon got hacked when it came to the US. Heavily. I'd like to see it uncut, if only because I had this Sailor Moon thing when I was 13 and onwards. ...I never even got to see the final battle with Beryl... __________________

09-26-2006, 12:26 AM	#29
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	to get this out of the way. I have no problem with mindless slaughter. Heck you can even get a sick pleasure out of it. Like the Broly movie, I doubt I was the only one that enjoyed seeing Goku and gang have their butts handed to them. Naruto I am not a huge fan of, mainly because if Naruto is ever gonna lose well what do you know the fox demon gives him more power. That fox was the strongest creature period. Besides later on it amounts to who has more chakra. Worst of all, I have NEVER seen Naruto act like a ninja. Ninjas are agents of stealth. They spy and quietly assasinate. They aren't warriors that fight in grand one on one battles. A ninja sneaks into your house and slits your throat while you sleep Besides, what ninja dresses in bright orange? I dont hate Naruto, but I rarely get an episode I would want to see more then once. Back on topic. That is an excellent point about how we cant look too objectively at 21st century anime. But we can still compare the trend from anime in the 80's to the 90's. From what I have heard, anime production in Japan has become rather mechanicnized. Plots and characters decided by marketing teams and commitees. But that isn't really that new, after all most anime is nothing more then an animated manga. Most are straight ports like Naruto, DBZ, and Bleach. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

09-25-2006, 10:50 AM	#26
Majin Darshe Shyguy Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	What I mean about Khael exagerating was that all of these Cardgame/Toy shows ARE NOT going to go up to high-quality shows and murder them are anything. They'll always be there, and they'll always be made. You just have to keep looking. Hell, in my opinion, people who say there's no more good anime are just people who are too lazy to go out and take risks. And honestly, I don't see why we're stilling complaining about edited anime so much, as it's really become such a very smal percentage of all the anime that's being released in the states, and most of the shows that have been edited that are worth damn have already been given uncut releases.

09-25-2006, 02:33 PM	#28
Majin Darshe Shyguy Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	Well...thank you for all of that, although I don't really think it adds much to this discussion, since I believe that the entire point of this topic is that there IS more anime out there than the shows you are mentioning... And keep pushing for Bleach, the Arrancar Arc should be hear soon enough (waves a flag for Ulquirra)