Knife of Dreams (Book 11 of the 10000000 Book Series) - Page 3

Magus · 10-12-2006, 04:13 PM

Someone should definitely put spoiler tags into that. Everyone use spoiler tags! Yeesh!

Did anyone else find that the whole thing with Perrin giving up the axein Crossroads of Twilight to actually be rather stupid? He ends up fighting by dual-wielding his blacksmith's hammer and a long knife, which is very cool, however, it kind've removes the entire point behind the axe, which was that he didn't want to fight anymore because he doesn't like how he feels when he does (battle exhilarates him), and it is stated by the character right in the novel that the hammer is not as good a weapon as the axe. Perhaps it will be explored that he realizes the axe isn't the problem, it's his own personality? Or is this the old fantasy cliche where for some really stupid unknown reason blunt weapons are actually considered more humanitarian than ones with edges? Like how in D&D Clerics use hammers and refuse to use swords, for some stupid hypocritical reason like that swords can only be used as weapons and hammers can be used to create as well, although all a huge war hammer is realistically useful for IS war?

I suppose it makes sense in that fashion, that it is more akin to what he aspires to and a reminder that he wants to give up fighting when he can, but still, I always think it is silly when the idea is used in novels. He even killed poor Rolan, his wife's protector, without knowing that Rolan was protecting Faile, of course, which is an even worse cliche.

Oh, and Aram betraying Perrin may be cliche but I have to admit I was really surprised, all foreshadowing aside (his hanging out with Masema more and more I simply thought would lead to him and Perrin having a falling out, not Aram believing Perrin is Shadowspawn and trying to kill him. Did it surprise anyone else or did you see it coming?

DavidG · 10-15-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Like how in D&D Clerics use hammers and refuse to use swords, for some stupid hypocritical reason like that swords can only be used as weapons and hammers can be used to create as well

Well, that's actually the reasoning behind the Aiel not using swords, so maybe.

Tiako · 10-15-2006, 10:48 AM

I like the way you do spoiler tags. I'll use some myself: As for why Perrin gave away his axe, I think it was for two reasons: One was a sense of shame for the brutal way he treated the Aiel, and two is because of what Elyas told him, to throw the axe away once he started to enjoy using it. I think he was genuinely scared of what the axe could do at that point, but I am almost positive that he didn't use the hammer because he felt it was more humane. After all, axes do cleanly slice, while a hammer's crush if far more damaging. Another reason is probably that he wanted to hold on to some part of his old life. Spoilers end.

Sesshoumaru · 10-15-2006, 04:17 PM

Who else thinks that Mat is, by far, the best character in WoT? Spoliers! Besides being the most likeable character, he has the whole 'hundreds of men's memories, which IMO is far more interesting than magical powers or lycanthropy. On that note, anyone else think that Mat's gonna end up leading an army of Seanchan gunmen in the Last Battle? end of spoilers!

Magus · 10-18-2006, 04:33 PM

It's hard to pick one of the three main ones over the other, but Mat is definitely a good character. Nonchalance and pure luck are always entertaining.

Kei-Kun · 10-18-2006, 06:34 PM

I love mat, mostly because he is such an awsome commander (from the memories) yet, he doesn't WANT to be the awsome battle commander. And the foxhead medallion is just sweet, I can't wait for the confrontation between the 'finns (I can never remember their full names). Any one else saw the fact Moraine still living, coming? It was forshadowed from Min's viewing "...she was the only one my viewing's were false..." or something along those lines.(teh spoilie end)

Also, I hope Nynaeve pulls her hair right out of her scalp, and the rest of her skull with it. She is by far the most irksome to me (I'm fine with Egwene, but seriously, shut up about the freaking HEADACHES. Even IF a reincarnated Chosen is doing it so (s)he can read your mind while (s)he is "massaging" it away.)

And I don't belive Jordan will, for sure, have 3 years or so to finish the last one...I forgot what disease it was, but I belive it was some kind of heart one... >,<

Edit: Spoiler: Who here things Egwene is going to (after the obligatory taking over of the White Tower from the inside) somehow combine the Black & White Towers because of the devastation that will ensue from the White Tower recruiting Asha'men to counter what they think the Chosen did. And what the Black Ajah will do because I'm going to say 1/3 of the Aes Sedai going for Asha'men are going to be Black Ajah, and that will most definatly be a FUN fight. With TKing involved.
Also, I think the Athen'mire are worse than the Aes Sedai. Seriously, the Aes Sedai are teaching them stuff and they STILL act like arrogant *****s... (end spoilie)

Magus · 10-19-2006, 01:26 AM

Yeah, there'll be a huge battle with Mazrim Taim and the Black Asha'man and Black Ajah (Mazrim Taim was set up as a false dragon by the Black Ajah, so it's really inevitable that the Black Ajah will join with the Black Asha'man), and such, and then everyone will team up and march on Shayol Ghul or something with Malkieri and all the other nations and such. Real ROTK style stuff.

Kei-Kun · 10-19-2006, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Yeah, there'll be a huge battle with Mazrim Taim and the Black Asha'man and Black Ajah (Mazrim Taim was set up as a false dragon by the Black Ajah, so it's really inevitable that the Black Ajah will join with the Black Asha'man), and such, and then everyone will team up and march on Shayol Ghul or something with Malkieri and all the other nations and such. Real ROTK style stuff.

...(spoilie) Taim IS Black Ajah. Didn't you read the very last few sentances of the book or so? He days something like what Moridin said about chaos. Like word for word. (end spoilie)

Demetrius · 10-19-2006, 07:09 AM

I think Mazrim is Moridin, I mean Bashere wasn't sure he was who he said he was, plus sitting on the throne in the hall of Moridin's colors, plus Perrin's take on the guy. He's totally Moridin.

Elayne is by far the most annoying of the main women. She's all 'Men come into maturity 10 years after women, everyone knows that' blah blah blah. At least Egwene will recognize that guys are good and so does Nynaeve. The Windfinders take the cake however, I now skip parts with them in it when I reread the books (when it is't a key section or when Mat, Rand or Birgette set them on their heels )

Kei-Kun · 10-19-2006, 08:09 AM

All I know is, Aes Sedai are getting payed back for their arrogance, and I know it's going to happen for the Athen'mire sooner or later...hopefully sooner. It's not just the Windfinders. It's all of them, especially the "ambassador" to Rand.

(spoilie?) I just can't wait until Rand gives them their 1 milex 1 mile square of land...he already said "...they never said the land had to be on water..." hee hee...that is going to make them HOWL.

10-15-2006, 10:48 AM	#23
Tiako FREEEEDOOOOM! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 286	I like the way you do spoiler tags. I'll use some myself: As for why Perrin gave away his axe, I think it was for two reasons: One was a sense of shame for the brutal way he treated the Aiel, and two is because of what Elyas told him, to throw the axe away once he started to enjoy using it. I think he was genuinely scared of what the axe could do at that point, but I am almost positive that he didn't use the hammer because he felt it was more humane. After all, axes do cleanly slice, while a hammer's crush if far more damaging. Another reason is probably that he wanted to hold on to some part of his old life. Spoilers end. __________________ Red Mage: Every time there's an invasion by monster warlords, or an end of the world, they look for people like us. Black Mage: Well, not like us. Red Mage: Granted. Thief: Obviously.

10-15-2006, 04:17 PM	#24
Sesshoumaru Tyrannus Rex Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 616	Who else thinks that Mat is, by far, the best character in WoT? Spoliers! Besides being the most likeable character, he has the whole 'hundreds of men's memories, which IMO is far more interesting than magical powers or lycanthropy. On that note, anyone else think that Mat's gonna end up leading an army of Seanchan gunmen in the Last Battle? end of spoilers! __________________ "The Second Amendment is about ensuring the rights of the citizen to be armed, despite [not at] the whims of government or State bureaucracy" "Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready." -Theodore Roosevelt: San Francisco CA, May 13, 1903 "We are all citizens, not a one among us is a serf, and we damn well better remember it"

10-18-2006, 06:34 PM	#26
Kei-Kun Insanity is Relative Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: My Mind Posts: 40	I love mat, mostly because he is such an awsome commander (from the memories) yet, he doesn't WANT to be the awsome battle commander. And the foxhead medallion is just sweet, I can't wait for the confrontation between the 'finns (I can never remember their full names). Any one else saw the fact Moraine still living, coming? It was forshadowed from Min's viewing "...she was the only one my viewing's were false..." or something along those lines.(teh spoilie end) Also, I hope Nynaeve pulls her hair right out of her scalp, and the rest of her skull with it. She is by far the most irksome to me (I'm fine with Egwene, but seriously, shut up about the freaking HEADACHES. Even IF a reincarnated Chosen is doing it so (s)he can read your mind while (s)he is "massaging" it away.) And I don't belive Jordan will, for sure, have 3 years or so to finish the last one...I forgot what disease it was, but I belive it was some kind of heart one... >,< Edit: Spoiler: Who here things Egwene is going to (after the obligatory taking over of the White Tower from the inside) somehow combine the Black & White Towers because of the devastation that will ensue from the White Tower recruiting Asha'men to counter what they think the Chosen did. And what the Black Ajah will do because I'm going to say 1/3 of the Aes Sedai going for Asha'men are going to be Black Ajah, and that will most definatly be a FUN fight. With TKing involved. Also, I think the Athen'mire are worse than the Aes Sedai. Seriously, the Aes Sedai are teaching them stuff and they STILL act like arrogant ***s... (end spoilie) __________________ "Insanity is the only sanity." "IMHO, there is to LITTLE war. I want to see some damn chaos in this game, and by golly I will have it!" ~Me~ .:\|RaiRO Character\|:. Wizzardeh:** Moridin (73/42) ~Moridin do be the Desciple of Loki, killing for the Land Pirates! Arrr...~ Last edited by Kei-Kun; 10-18-2006 at 06:48 PM.

10-19-2006, 07:09 AM	#29
Demetrius In need of a vacation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Vermont Posts: 3,236	I think Mazrim is Moridin, I mean Bashere wasn't sure he was who he said he was, plus sitting on the throne in the hall of Moridin's colors, plus Perrin's take on the guy. He's totally Moridin. Elayne is by far the most annoying of the main women. She's all 'Men come into maturity 10 years after women, everyone knows that' blah blah blah. At least Egwene will recognize that guys are good and so does Nynaeve. The Windfinders take the cake however, I now skip parts with them in it when I reread the books (when it is't a key section or when Mat, Rand or Birgette set them on their heels ) __________________ DFM, Demon seed of Hell who fuels its incredible power by butchering little girls and feeding on their innocence. Demetrius, Dark clown of the netherworld, a being of incalculable debauchery and a soulless, faceless evil as old as time itself. Zilla, The chick. ~DFM Wii bishie bishie kawaii baka! ~ Fifthfiend

10-19-2006, 08:09 AM	#30
Kei-Kun Insanity is Relative Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: My Mind Posts: 40	All I know is, Aes Sedai are getting payed back for their arrogance, and I know it's going to happen for the Athen'mire sooner or later...hopefully sooner. It's not just the Windfinders. It's all of them, especially the "ambassador" to Rand. (spoilie?) I just can't wait until Rand gives them their 1 milex 1 mile square of land...he already said "...they never said the land had to be on water..." hee hee...that is going to make them HOWL. __________________ "Insanity is the only sanity." "IMHO, there is to LITTLE war. I want to see some damn chaos in this game, and by golly I will have it!" ~Me~ .:\|RaiRO Character\|:. Wizzardeh: Moridin (73/42) ~Moridin do be the Desciple of Loki, killing for the Land Pirates! Arrr...~

10-12-2006, 04:13 PM	#21
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Someone should definitely put spoiler tags into that. Everyone use spoiler tags! Yeesh! Did anyone else find that the whole thing with Perrin giving up the axein Crossroads of Twilight to actually be rather stupid? He ends up fighting by dual-wielding his blacksmith's hammer and a long knife, which is very cool, however, it kind've removes the entire point behind the axe, which was that he didn't want to fight anymore because he doesn't like how he feels when he does (battle exhilarates him), and it is stated by the character right in the novel that the hammer is not as good a weapon as the axe. Perhaps it will be explored that he realizes the axe isn't the problem, it's his own personality? Or is this the old fantasy cliche where for some really stupid unknown reason blunt weapons are actually considered more humanitarian than ones with edges? Like how in D&D Clerics use hammers and refuse to use swords, for some stupid hypocritical reason like that swords can only be used as weapons and hammers can be used to create as well, although all a huge war hammer is realistically useful for IS war? I suppose it makes sense in that fashion, that it is more akin to what he aspires to and a reminder that he wants to give up fighting when he can, but still, I always think it is silly when the idea is used in novels. He even killed poor Rolan, his wife's protector, without knowing that Rolan was protecting Faile, of course, which is an even worse cliche. Oh, and Aram betraying Perrin may be cliche but I have to admit I was really surprised, all foreshadowing aside (his hanging out with Masema more and more I simply thought would lead to him and Perrin having a falling out, not Aram believing Perrin is Shadowspawn and trying to kill him. Did it surprise anyone else or did you see it coming?

10-18-2006, 04:33 PM	#25
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	It's hard to pick one of the three main ones over the other, but Mat is definitely a good character. Nonchalance and pure luck are always entertaining.

10-19-2006, 01:26 AM	#27
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Yeah, there'll be a huge battle with Mazrim Taim and the Black Asha'man and Black Ajah (Mazrim Taim was set up as a false dragon by the Black Ajah, so it's really inevitable that the Black Ajah will join with the Black Asha'man), and such, and then everyone will team up and march on Shayol Ghul or something with Malkieri and all the other nations and such. Real ROTK style stuff.