Men in tights: the wrestling thread - Page 3

Mirai Gen · 12-15-2008, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

I suppose I should have laid on the sarcasm a bit thicker in that post.

POS Industries · 12-15-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante Must Die

I suppose I should have laid on the sarcasm a bit thicker in that post.

See, that's what I figured but Paul controls the booking and wanting some face time, so I kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to spend the next 8 months jobbing to Funaki.

Archbio · 12-15-2008, 03:05 AM

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Never actually played one, have you?

Wrestling games are just fighting games with mechanics based around the "sport." I mean, you don't actually hit a button to take a razor blade to your own forehead while the cameraman films something else for a minute or anything.

No, I've actually attempted to play two.

They weren't quite as fully and openly absurd as that, true, but then that just means they didn't have that redeeming quality, either. The example is still good. Ed Wood couldn't come up with a way to hide the strings, and pro-wrestling couldn't be anything better than staged mock epic fights on rings, with the occasional folding chair. It was just a question of material necessity in both cases. Now, pro-wrestling can and does hide some things (and so they are hidden in videogames also), and I guess that the stilted form, the crushing weight of those conventions are accepted by people involved with it, but they're still flaws.

And they are faithfully adapted in videogame form. Absurd, in a non-entertaining way. I guess if the videogame versions were less slavish it might just make the original look bad.

Oh, and are you sure they wouldn't just use blood packets?

Now, why am I being serious about this?!

POS Industries · 12-15-2008, 03:24 AM

Well,to be fair, they've really been unable to make an actually good wrestling game since No Mercy for the N64, and it hasn't exactly aged well. Most of the new ones anymore are just glorified entrance creators.

A lot of people go nuts over the Fire Pro games, though, but I've never tried one.

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Originally Posted by Archbio

Oh, and are you sure they wouldn't just use blood packets?

They cheek those for when they have to appear to bleed from the mouth for any reason. They can't do that for flesh wounds because they have to actually continue bleeding from the cut for as long as they're in view of the audience, and so a blood packet is just too obvious.

Ric Flair's forehead is a mess of scars purely because he's been doing it for so many years.

Fifthfiend · 12-15-2008, 03:37 AM

I have a whole new respect for professional wrestlers. Or you know, whatever it is that you call it when you find out people routinely take razors to their foreheads.

Mirai Gen · 12-15-2008, 03:56 AM

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

Well,to be fair, they've really been unable to make an actually good wrestling game since No Mercy for the N64, and it hasn't exactly aged well.

Oh god yes, how many days I wasted beating people's faces in until they gave up in Survival Mode.

OctoberRaven · 12-15-2008, 04:32 AM

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A lot of people go nuts over the Fire Pro games, though, but I've never tried one.

You should. Fire Pro Returns is for the PS2 and can go for amazingly awesome bargain prices (heck, it's original MSRP was a steal in of itself!).

AI doesn't suck (see: THQ games), gameplay is awesome, the moveset and possibilities with the edit mode blow anything made in the US completely out of the water.

Okay, yeah, it's not 3D. But this isn't a mainstream game so the graphics aren't important. Besides, it's obvious where the memory that would have gone to graphics went: 327 premade wrestlers (All based on real-life wrestlers, though a mainstream-only wrestling fan would recognize maybe a dozen wrestlers as most of them are Japanese wrestlers). Rather have your own wrestlers? Okay, you can make up to five hundred created wrestlers. And you can make practically anyone from a real wrestler to kappas dressed like Jeff Hardy to Ronald McDonald. Not only that but you can program AI for your own wrestlers so when played by the CPU they'll fight the way you want them to fight.

Warning though, Agetec made a HUGE error in translating the AI section, it's nothing big but I suggest you read some FAQs first.

Griever · 12-15-2008, 05:39 AM

Some of the newer games aren't bad but they're in a purely 'I'll play them if someone else is' category at this point. Their "story" modes are usually dead after three matches so PvP is basically the only slightly redeeming factor.

Still can't believe they gave Jeff the championship, especially considering that both Paul and Adam were in the match and Paul very rarely passes up a chance to give himself gold. Christian Cage is supposed to come back to WWE at some point soon so they're probably trying to set up a Hardys Vs Edge and Christian rivalry like the 90's...we'll see how that goes though.

POS Industries · 12-15-2008, 05:53 AM

Well, I think Jeff's got the belt for a month or two because there was a lot of fan demand for it, so they're just going ahead and getting it out of the way. But yeah, the "Hardys versus E&C" possibility probably isn't out of the question, and the recent angle between Jeff and Edge with a little Matt thrown in seems like it could head in that direction.

Also, I think Paul's realized the he's never going to top Flair's 16 world title reigns if he just continues on one long title reign forever. It would be nice if he turned heel again, though. Face Haitch is just amazingly boring, but I guess they're still making a bunch of money from the "DX REUNITES FOR ONE NIGHT ONLY" bits they keep pulling every month or so.

Griever · 12-15-2008, 05:58 AM

I agree. DX lost it's appeal for me after the first "reunion". Especially with all the "one night only" crap they tack on to them. Heel HHH is superior to face and has been for years. The only time Face HHH shines is when he breaks character and just goes on about real life family stuff. That's a good point on the number of titles though. I always forget how old HHH is getting, mostly because I think he could be 60 and still talk his way into a title run.

As for Jeff, yeah I know he's going to be a transitional champion but still it's nice. He's always been one of my favorites but with his build there's no way Vince is going to let him have a long run.

12-15-2008, 03:37 AM	#25
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	I have a whole new respect for professional wrestlers. Or you know, whatever it is that you call it when you find out people routinely take razors to their foreheads. __________________ check out my buttspresso

12-15-2008, 05:53 AM	#29
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Well, I think Jeff's got the belt for a month or two because there was a lot of fan demand for it, so they're just going ahead and getting it out of the way. But yeah, the "Hardys versus E&C" possibility probably isn't out of the question, and the recent angle between Jeff and Edge with a little Matt thrown in seems like it could head in that direction. Also, I think Paul's realized the he's never going to top Flair's 16 world title reigns if he just continues on one long title reign forever. It would be nice if he turned heel again, though. Face Haitch is just amazingly boring, but I guess they're still making a bunch of money from the "DX REUNITES FOR ONE NIGHT ONLY" bits they keep pulling every month or so. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

12-15-2008, 05:39 AM	#28
Griever meh Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 47	Some of the newer games aren't bad but they're in a purely 'I'll play them if someone else is' category at this point. Their "story" modes are usually dead after three matches so PvP is basically the only slightly redeeming factor. Still can't believe they gave Jeff the championship, especially considering that both Paul and Adam were in the match and Paul very rarely passes up a chance to give himself gold. Christian Cage is supposed to come back to WWE at some point soon so they're probably trying to set up a Hardys Vs Edge and Christian rivalry like the 90's...we'll see how that goes though.

12-15-2008, 05:58 AM	#30
Griever meh Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 47	I agree. DX lost it's appeal for me after the first "reunion". Especially with all the "one night only" crap they tack on to them. Heel HHH is superior to face and has been for years. The only time Face HHH shines is when he breaks character and just goes on about real life family stuff. That's a good point on the number of titles though. I always forget how old HHH is getting, mostly because I think he could be 60 and still talk his way into a title run. As for Jeff, yeah I know he's going to be a transitional champion but still it's nice. He's always been one of my favorites but with his build there's no way Vince is going to let him have a long run.