Same-sex marriage in Iowa - Page 3

Mike McC · 04-06-2009, 10:15 AM

Why is that the right idea? You still have to go through the government to get the liscense, what does it matter who actually officiates? If the religion doesn't support the marriage, the government still can. Really, all the needs to be done is get the proper politicians into office to make gay marriage legal. In this country, saying that marriages officiated by the minister are no longer valid would probably cause even more upraor than the gay marriage issue.

Just because there are a lot of athiests/agnostics active on the internet does not mean it's a cultural norm.

Premmy · 04-06-2009, 11:30 AM

I mean from the standpoint of seperation of church and state, the fact that it takes a religious official to validate a legal event is in direct opposition to that, but then, our system works too as in practice it's the same thing it's just I feel that not involving the church from the beginning would have prevented us being in this position in the first place.

Funka Genocide · 04-06-2009, 11:53 AM

I thought there was a permanent moratorium on religious discussion on these boards?

In any case, I think it's legal for anyone to become a notary public, it's not inherent to the clergy, they just tend to do it so as to be more useful in their occupations, a priest that can't actually marry two people seems sort of like a firefighter without a hose, or something.

Our secular policies are in place to protect the minority, but there's no way to get around public opinion. So long as the majority of people believe one way, forcing an alternative down their throats won't accomplish anything. Changing legislature is great, but changing people's minds is where the real work is to be done.

of course I could go into more specific detail, but again I think religious discussion is still banned, so I'll leave it at that.

bluestarultor · 04-06-2009, 12:28 PM

Nique: That wasn't exactly a census figure, but what part of France is religious, to my understanding, is largely Catholic.

Funka: It's pretty hard to talk about marriage without bringing in at least a wee bit of religion. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I took it more as a moratorium on discussing details and other stuff that might lead to preaching or actual religious discussion than just saying, "hey, these people have a religion" and leaving it at that. I know I've stumbled onto/over the line a few times, but I've tried to be very careful about what I say about religion on here, since not everyone can take as objective a stance on it as I can.

Funka Genocide · 04-06-2009, 12:36 PM

well I'm sure the mods are keeping up on it, just didn't want to see anyone get into trouble, might have needed to remind myself a bit too, heh.

Nique · 04-06-2009, 01:21 PM

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Nique: That wasn't exactly a census figure, but what part of France is religious, to my understanding, is largely Catholic.

It was just a question out of sheer morbid curiosity, not trying to nitpick.

Archbio · 04-06-2009, 09:33 PM

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Just because there are a lot of athiests/agnostics active on the internet does not mean it's a cultural norm.

Secularism: it's what's for dinner.

Preturbed · 04-07-2009, 02:46 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090407/...rriage_vermont

They're doing it in Vermont now too. Maybe this is the year the walls come tumbling down.

Premmy · 04-07-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

In any case, I think it's legal for anyone to become a notary public, it's not inherent to the clergy, they just tend to do it so as to be more useful in their occupations, a priest that can't actually marry two people seems sort of like a firefighter without a hose, or something.

oh well in that case, then we need to just allow gay folks to get the liscense, my bad I thought there was something special about the religious ceremony and the government validated it not the other way around, as from a governmental standpoint I did'nt understand the POINT of marriage at all "You two REALLY dig each other, he're's some special legal privileges" this actually brings to mind the question of the necessity for any sort of marriage procedure at all as far as government is concerned, anything I can do in regards to marriage from a legal standpoint I could just as easily do with a series of contracts, or just one big one, with another individual. Marriage just seems like a combo pack of financial and legal benifits..... hmmm....

Sky Warrior Bob · 04-07-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Preturbed

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090407/...rriage_vermont

They're doing it in Vermont now too. Maybe this is the year the walls come tumbling down.

Vermont already had Civil Unions & was the first state to get the ball rolling. Massachusetts came after Vermont, but they went for the full marriage instead of the Civil Union route.

SWB

04-06-2009, 10:15 AM	#21
Mike McC Time is something else. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wherever I am needed, I will be there. Posts: 5,065	Why is that the right idea? You still have to go through the government to get the liscense, what does it matter who actually officiates? If the religion doesn't support the marriage, the government still can. Really, all the needs to be done is get the proper politicians into office to make gay marriage legal. In this country, saying that marriages officiated by the minister are no longer valid would probably cause even more upraor than the gay marriage issue. Just because there are a lot of athiests/agnostics active on the internet does not mean it's a cultural norm. __________________ WHERE MIKEY IS IN 2022! tumblrs - http://werewolf.zone twitters - @itmightbemikey

04-06-2009, 11:30 AM	#22
Premmy Stop the hate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a nice web on fifty first street Posts: 4,466	I mean from the standpoint of seperation of church and state, the fact that it takes a religious official to validate a legal event is in direct opposition to that, but then, our system works too as in practice it's the same thing it's just I feel that not involving the church from the beginning would have prevented us being in this position in the first place. __________________ Drank

04-07-2009, 02:46 PM	#28
Preturbed betrayal! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,092	http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090407/...rriage_vermont They're doing it in Vermont now too. Maybe this is the year the walls come tumbling down. __________________ sudden but inevitable

04-06-2009, 11:53 AM	#23
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I thought there was a permanent moratorium on religious discussion on these boards? In any case, I think it's legal for anyone to become a notary public, it's not inherent to the clergy, they just tend to do it so as to be more useful in their occupations, a priest that can't actually marry two people seems sort of like a firefighter without a hose, or something. Our secular policies are in place to protect the minority, but there's no way to get around public opinion. So long as the majority of people believe one way, forcing an alternative down their throats won't accomplish anything. Changing legislature is great, but changing people's minds is where the real work is to be done. of course I could go into more specific detail, but again I think religious discussion is still banned, so I'll leave it at that.

04-06-2009, 12:36 PM	#25
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	well I'm sure the mods are keeping up on it, just didn't want to see anyone get into trouble, might have needed to remind myself a bit too, heh.