George Will is an angry old man

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Wigmund

Can't I be an adult and also not care much about my appearance?

Clothes are for comfort, I don't wear them to be some kind of social status peacock.

George Will keeps himself awake at night, stirred up with hatred for people like you.

"God dammit they just go around in their JEANS! Being COMFORTABLE! And ENJOYING THEIR LIVES! And fucking OH GOD ARGH IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY I CANNOT SEE STRAIGHT HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY GET ME A BOW TIE!!!!!!"

[Funka Genocide]

ah, so it's a matter of not wanting to associate with your class.

I can see the desire to deny social class, I have wrestled with the concept myself. But denying there is such a thing as social class, and refusing to accept your role in it (and thusly, to improve your standing) seems to me like refusing to believe the 300 pound man in the wife beater can kill you with his hands.

it exists, you are subject to it, and if you were more aware of it you might live a better life.

but yes, the article is obviously over the top and filled with hyperbole, not arguing that.

and really, what difference does it make in the end. We're all free to dress in whatever we can afford. and none of us really take any responsibility for the state of our national well being. We're all free spirited individuals who dance to the beat of our own drums, while wearing mass produced denim products.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

That was just a thought I had. You should read my other posts on the matter, I'm pretty much in accord with what you've just stated.

I had initiated my post before you made the post above mine. I hadn't seen it.


I was going to post more on this topic, but really I don't have the want anymore. His article is too melodramatic to agree with, regardless his actual point, and I find it difficult to disagree with my own opinion that people should wear what they like, aside from when situations call for or require otherwise (i.e. if you want to rock the denim, have a blast; yet don't wear it to a family member's wedding...).

I think what's bothered me more has been some of the comments to the article I have found. Some folks are outraged at the author not for holding on to an outdated idea of the nation's personal image but for ignoring the butchering of our Constitution and national government currently occurring. Hooray! I really should've checked the site out before just browsing their comments section. Ha ha, conservatives are melodramatic.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I was referring to video games with that sentence, not jeans.

also, It's not like I don't wear a lot of denim, everyone does, I'm just saying that it might be an indicator of something deeper than just fashion.

also, the thing about can't afford other clothes.

Most expensive pair of suit pants ever purchased: 180 dollars
Most expensive pair of jeans ever purchased: 220 dollars

Jeans and normal pants made from not-denim can be purhcased for the same price, you can get some khakis for 20 bucks and they can be quite comfortable. Its not a matte rof economics, but of personal preference.

He clearly wants us to wear proper suit pants like Fred Astaire wears. Those cost a lot and you need them fitted to look good to make it look better.
He wouldn't want you wearing khaki unless you are in the army.
I mean sure you can buy expensive jeans but you can also buy ridiculously cheap jeans, not so for proper pants.

Also jeans are FAR cheaper in the long run, as they last longer, don't need to by dry cleaned, take less ironing and washing.
I mean really, jeans are by far the cheapest overall set of pants around.

[Funka Genocide]

You have a great big bushy beard and therefore all your points are IRRELEVANT!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Clearly that entitles me to wear jeans.

[Funka Genocide]

damn!

I'll get you for this McBarrelpants! You and your disdainfully fashionable denim leg-coverings!

[Fifthfiend]

I will allow that he has a point on the single issue of acid-washed jeans.

What the fuck you're paying money to have your jeans worn out for you. That's just fucking dumb.

[Funka Genocide]

come on dude, when are you ever going to have the time to wash them in acid yourself?

[pochercoaster]

Anyone who thinks wealthy people don't walk around in jeans and t shirts and drive modest vehicles needs a reality check. (Re: Wealthy people tend not to flaunt their wealth in public, except for pampered Hollywood celebrities and those who come across wealth accidentally.) Who gives a shit? And who has hundreds of dollars to burn on pants that probably cost $2 to manufacture?

Denim is starting to be used in dressy outfits, if anyone pays attention to haute couture. Then again haute couture is pretty ridiculous. I'm not sure denim looks good as anything other than a pair of pants, but if jeans start to become acceptable office attire I say bring it on.

Why don't we bring back corsets and petticoats? Don't get me started on high heels! (I sincerely hope ballerina flats stay in style for a long time because despite what anyone says there is no such thing as a comfortable high heel and I don't want destroying my feet to be a requirement for working in an office.)

Edit: Also note that I don't disagree with the point that we all construct an image that we present to the public. Just I don't see the necessity in everyone choosing to present themselves as wealthy office monkeys (no offense to any office monkeys here :P) when they're out grocery shopping.