Thanksgiving Mourning? - Page 3

CABAL49 · 11-26-2009, 02:00 PM

If you guys really want to honor Native Americans so badly, why don't you try getting off our land? Just kidding. I love my ancient overlords

Kim · 11-26-2009, 02:03 PM

Jagos · 11-26-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

What is Thanksgiving? A miserable little pile of food. But enough posts... Have at you!

I have a secret.

I am not left handed.

Amake · 11-26-2009, 03:11 PM

About learning history without bias, I recall reading about Sweden's wars with Russia in first or second grade. It didn't say anything about who was right or wrong, and didn't mention any heroes. But mostly we were all "What the frick*, there's war?" and realizing that our proud country liked to kill people for being different from us which was pretty good as an eye opener for any budding patriotic feelings.

Yeah, I think it was second grade. Which puts us at seven or eight years old. I just had to clarify that so you can see how Sweden is hardcore.

Moving on, are all holidays manufactured? I think winter solstice celebrations are an exception, or used to be. Those feasts emerged probably while we lived in caves, where keeping morale high through the coldest and darkest part of the year would be a question of life or death.

This is what bugs me about the yule decorations currently covering the entire Scandinavian subcontinent: We're blowing our load too early. I think chanuxmakwanzas** celebrations should be put off until the lowest possible point, like maybe the end of February, when you start forgetting the taste of grass and the feel of sunlight burning up your eyes. When we're celebrating the entire fourth quarter of the year with a non-stop eating rampage as we probably will in a few years, not only do we forget that we're supposed to celebrate the fact that we're badass enough to have made it through another winter without starving or freezing to death, but it makes the long, cold, dark first two or three months of the next year a comparatively depressing grind without relief.

*Obviously, we were too young to say fuck.
**Officially approved new efficient word covering all of the major seasonal holidays.

Professor Smarmiarty · 11-26-2009, 03:38 PM

We learnt about our British ancestors slaughter the Maori at age 8. And the Maori were actually incredibly well treated compared to pretty much any other colonised people they had actual proper treaties and things and government still paying them fuckloads. None of us turned into psycopathic nihilists as a result and it helps prevent bullshit patriotism forming which is good.

Si Civa · 11-26-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Invisible Queen

About learning history without bias, I recall reading about Sweden's wars with Russia in first or second grade. It didn't say anything about who was right or wrong, and didn't mention any heroes. But mostly we were all "What the frick*, there's war?" and realizing that our proud country liked to kill people for being different from us which was pretty good as an eye opener for any budding patriotic feelings.

Yeah, I think it was second grade. Which puts us at seven or eight years old. I just had to clarify that so you can see how Sweden is hardcore.

Finland is still bicker about Finnish war, you military geniuses.
Mostly because we aren't part of Sweden anymore. (Not really!)

I guess that Finnish history teaching is pretty objective as well, but we tend to be quiet about Continuation War (we fight along nazis, yikes).

Osterbaum · 11-26-2009, 04:14 PM

I really don't remember anything about history class in elementary school. Not that our country has had the opportunity to commit many atrocities (as a nation anyhow).

Talk about WWII however, especially The Continuation War, is somewhat more sugarcoated. Instead of just admitting that we fought together with Nazi Germany of our own free will, for a long time there existed this "drift wood theory" wherein Finland inevitably drifted towards an aliance with Germany because there was no other way, or whatever.

People here aren't too patriotic though, except when it comes to WWII. I swear, so many people secretly wish we could have the territories lost back.

Toastburner B · 11-26-2009, 04:15 PM

Meh, you guy must of been better students that I was at a young age. My 5th grade teacher tried really, really, really hard to instill, for lack of a better term, "white man's guilt" into us for the entire school year. Starting at Columbus and all the way through 1800s she taught us that the favorite pass time for people with European ancestry was the killing of natives.

Frankly went over our heads. Too heavy of stuff for our little minds, I think.

Of course, I got another dose of it in 8th grade. While not as hardcore about it as my 5th grade teacher was, my 8th grade history teacher was 1/2 Ute, so she made sure we knew about all that stuff.

Pip Boy · 11-26-2009, 04:21 PM

Oh god, I am so full of turkey. SO full of turkey. I'm afraid little turkey babies might crawl out of me. Oh god. It hurts. It hurts so good. Stuffing too. Oyster stuffing. Oh ye gods, the pain is unimaginable. Whyyyyyyy?

Si Civa · 11-26-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum

People here aren't too patriotic though, except when it comes to WWII. I swear, so many people secretly wish we could have the territories lost back.

Karjala takaisin vaikka pullo kerrallaan.

Hah hah you silly English tea drinkers of America, you won't get that.

11-26-2009, 02:03 PM	#22
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	As always, Overcompensating shows us the true meaning of... something. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

11-26-2009, 03:11 PM	#24
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	About learning history without bias, I recall reading about Sweden's wars with Russia in first or second grade. It didn't say anything about who was right or wrong, and didn't mention any heroes. But mostly we were all "What the frick, there's war?" and realizing that our proud country liked to kill people for being different from us which was pretty good as an eye opener for any budding patriotic feelings. Yeah, I think it was second grade. Which puts us at seven or eight years old. I just had to clarify that so you can see how Sweden is hardcore. Moving on, are all holidays manufactured? I think winter solstice celebrations are an exception, or used to be. Those feasts emerged probably while we lived in caves, where keeping morale high through the coldest and darkest part of the year would be a question of life or death. This is what bugs me about the yule decorations currently covering the entire Scandinavian subcontinent: We're blowing our load too early. I think chanuxmakwanzas* celebrations should be put off until the lowest possible point, like maybe the end of February, when you start forgetting the taste of grass and the feel of sunlight burning up your eyes. When we're celebrating the entire fourth quarter of the year with a non-stop eating rampage as we probably will in a few years, not only do we forget that we're supposed to celebrate the fact that we're badass enough to have made it through another winter without starving or freezing to death, but it makes the long, cold, dark first two or three months of the next year a comparatively depressing grind without relief. Obviously, we were too young to say fuck. Officially approved new efficient word covering all of the major seasonal holidays. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed*

11-26-2009, 04:14 PM	#27
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	I really don't remember anything about history class in elementary school. Not that our country has had the opportunity to commit many atrocities (as a nation anyhow). Talk about WWII however, especially The Continuation War, is somewhat more sugarcoated. Instead of just admitting that we fought together with Nazi Germany of our own free will, for a long time there existed this "drift wood theory" wherein Finland inevitably drifted towards an aliance with Germany because there was no other way, or whatever. People here aren't too patriotic though, except when it comes to WWII. I swear, so many people secretly wish we could have the territories lost back. __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

11-26-2009, 04:15 PM	#28
Toastburner B Toasty has left the building Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hiding...because I don't want to die. Posts: 3,936	Meh, you guy must of been better students that I was at a young age. My 5th grade teacher tried really, really, really hard to instill, for lack of a better term, "white man's guilt" into us for the entire school year. Starting at Columbus and all the way through 1800s she taught us that the favorite pass time for people with European ancestry was the killing of natives. Frankly went over our heads. Too heavy of stuff for our little minds, I think. Of course, I got another dose of it in 8th grade. While not as hardcore about it as my 5th grade teacher was, my 8th grade history teacher was 1/2 Ute, so she made sure we knew about all that stuff. __________________ I came, I saw, I got team-killed. A lot.

11-26-2009, 02:00 PM	#21
CABAL49 Not bad. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Senatus Populusque Americanus Posts: 1,584	If you guys really want to honor Native Americans so badly, why don't you try getting off our land? Just kidding. I love my ancient overlords

11-26-2009, 03:38 PM	#25
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	We learnt about our British ancestors slaughter the Maori at age 8. And the Maori were actually incredibly well treated compared to pretty much any other colonised people they had actual proper treaties and things and government still paying them fuckloads. None of us turned into psycopathic nihilists as a result and it helps prevent bullshit patriotism forming which is good.

11-26-2009, 04:21 PM	#29
Pip Boy Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: A right and proper Nerd Cave Posts: 2,460	Oh god, I am so full of turkey. SO full of turkey. I'm afraid little turkey babies might crawl out of me. Oh god. It hurts. It hurts so good. Stuffing too. Oyster stuffing. Oh ye gods, the pain is unimaginable. Whyyyyyyy?