Pokemon Umbral Discussion 34: all your base... - Page 3

Menarker · 08-01-2010, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Secondly, this:
What? Seriously, what? Your item does not do that. And if it does, nerf that shit.
All that your item does (if I remember correctly) is give togekiss extra rage for damage taken by its immediate neighbors, not Renny's neighbors. Meaning, in this case, Shaymin and Palkia. Which is still plenty powerful, mind you. It's just not excessive like you seem to be wanting it to be.

That is exactly what it does. It was discussed in much detail when the item was made, and I made no attempt at hiding anything from AB. It was already nerfed in that it only activates when rage from INJURY is gained, not when rage is gained by attacking or from items. Pokemons themselves do not gain rage, only their masters (unless they are without masters). In this particular situation when Togekiss is out on the field, if any of Harriette's pokemons, or Harriette was to get hurt, or if any of Pierce's pokemon get hurt, then Renny gains equal rage as a benefit. That's why there was that little argument about why Renny should be put beside Hariette, who gains double rage when attacking or damaged.

I'm suprised that you didn't speak up about this in the first battle when Togekiss had this item and we went into discussion about it. Kinda quite late to object.

Dracorion · 08-01-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Though you guys remember the fact that there's a flood coming? And therefor anything on the ground will prooobably take quite a bit of water damage?
Buck will be taking super-effective damage. As will nidoqueen. You're aware of this?

Aw, dammit! AB answered this first rather nicely and now I can't be mean about it!

Welp, I'm never getting sleep again. Sleep makes me miss opportunities like this one.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

I said I'd sit this round out, and I shall, so that'll be all you hear from me. Though two things:
First, you really don't seem to be using many buffs. Might've been worth it to do so, but allright.

Meh, who'd be using buffs? Like, one of Moon's pokemon and Matthias?

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Originally Posted by Geminex

What? Seriously, what? Your item does not do that. And if it does, nerf that shit.
All that your item does (if I remember correctly) is give togekiss extra rage for damage taken by its immediate neighbors, not Renny's neighbors. Meaning, in this case, Shaymin and Palkia. Which is still plenty powerful, mind you. It's just not excessive like you seem to be wanting it to be.

Menarker answered this one. We discussed this in detail back when it was first made. I don't remember what the hell we agreed on, or even if we agreed on anything, but this is how it ended up.

Geminex · 08-01-2010, 09:50 AM

Yeah, be mean to the guy who can't actually check the RP thread because his internet's so fucking crappy (Goddammit, Vodafone). That's like... I dunno, starting a fist-fight with an armless guy? Kicking a guy with no legs? Something along those lines.
Also, Menarker...

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I'm suprised that you didn't speak up about this in the first battle when Togekiss had this item and we went into discussion about it. Kinda quite late to object.

Oh, yeah... well, good point, that. Why didn't I speak up earlier? I unno, really... maybe had something to do with the fact that I was moving across continents... hmmm... what do you think?

Not that it matters, anyway, you're totally right, it's far too late to object to that now, better drop it, ri-ahahahahahahahahaNOOOO.

No, seriously. Maybe it was nerfed already, but that isn't enough.
First, yes, I know, pokemon don't gain rage themselves. Of course, the question is, why can an item that's held by a pokemon cause its master to gain rage. It's not Renny holding the ribbon, after all. Despite this, you're insisting that it be Renny's neighbors, whom Renny gains rage for, not Togekiss' neighbors.

Also, in terms of balance, in practice, this little item is gonna triple Renny's potential to get rage from enemy attacks. Assming that the rage he gets stems equally from attacking and getting attacked, he's effectively doubling his overall potential to geain rage.

Not utterly imbalanced, I'll admit, but certainly stronger than I think is fair, especially considering the ever-increasing value of rage.

Mind you, I'm not sure how to fix it. Just the two allies adjacent to the pokemon, I take it that'd be too weak for you?
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Hmm. How about this. Affects the two closest pokemon to either side (not humans). In this case, that'd be Nidoqueen, Shaymin, Palkia and Aria.
Renny gets 5 rage every time one of them get rage for taking damage. But to get this rage, Togekiss has to take a certain amount of 'sympathy damage', not too huge, but significant. Maybe 1/4th of the damage taken by the actual target. If this damage is blocked, for whatever reason, Renny gets no rage.

That'd be less exploitable, and it'd have a downside of sorts. How about it?

Dracorion · 08-01-2010, 10:12 AM

Actually Geminex, you were there.

Here. The argument starts on Page 5 and your first appearance is on Page 7. Which is your only post on the subject, really.

That would imply that you didn't really think it was that big a deal back then.

Geminex · 08-01-2010, 10:35 AM

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I'm sure that the RPS is broken as hell in half a dozen of different ways. But I'll be waiting to see how exactly it's broken, before I make balancing suggestions. As such, I won't be joining the follow-me discussion.

As for Menarker's item, I find myself siding with Drac. Menarker's first proposal was rather overpowered. I'm fine with AB's suggestion for now. Though that might not last the mission.

Oh wow. Will you just look at that! It's my post! And what a nice post it is. I highlighted the most interesting bits. It seems that, rather than not caring, I decided to wait and bide my time to see what would happen because I have enough humility to recognize that I may occasionally be wrong and enough respect for myself and all of you to try and minimize the amount of times this occurs.
Unlike, needless to say, you.

But anyway, firstly, when I said that I agreed with AB's suggestion, I thought his suggestion was 'Only pokemon adjacent to the holder'. And secondly, even if that weren't the case, I said that my agreement might not last the mission. And guess what. IT DIDN'T.

Dracorion · 08-01-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Oh wow. Will you just look at that! It's my post! And what a nice post it is. I highlighted the most interesting bits. It seems that, rather than not caring, I decided to wait and bide my time to see what would happen because I have enough humility to recognize that I may occasionally be wrong and enough respect for myself and all of you to try and minimize the amount of times this occurs.
Unlike, needless to say, you.

Oh now that's bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

But anyway, firstly, when I said that I agreed with AB's suggestion, I thought his suggestion was 'Only pokemon adjacent to the holder'. And secondly, even if that weren't the case, I said that my agreement might not last the mission. And guess what. IT DIDN'T.

I thought it was pretty clear what AB meant. Granted, he could've put it better, but I figure someone of your INCREDIBLE STRATEGIC GENIOUS OH WOW would've figured it out.

Also, something I forgot to respond to in your last post: is that going to be your excuse when you fail to conquer the world? "Sorry guys, I couldn't overthrow Italy because my internet is crappy?" or "I couldn't conquer France because I was moving across continents!"

Geminex · 08-01-2010, 10:53 AM

Oh come now. Do you really think that crappy internet could stop me from conquering Italy, or anything in the world could stop me from conquering France? Honestly, what do you take me for?

Dracorion · 08-01-2010, 10:57 AM

The kind of slacker would-be conqueror that would let something as trivial as crossing continents or crappy internet stop him from proving himself right in an argument?

Bard The 5th LW · 08-01-2010, 12:27 PM

Is Drac being serious now or not? Seriously, I'm the only troll allowed in this RP!

And Gem is German right? If so, then nothing can stop him from taking France and Italy. Its in his blood.

Dracorion · 08-01-2010, 12:29 PM

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Is Drac being serious now or not? Seriously, I'm the only troll allowed in this RP!

You're kidding, right?

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08-01-2010, 10:57 AM	#28
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	The kind of slacker would-be conqueror that would let something as trivial as crossing continents or crappy internet stop him from proving himself right in an argument? __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-01-2010, 10:53 AM	#27
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Oh come now. Do you really think that crappy internet could stop me from conquering Italy, or anything in the world could stop me from conquering France? Honestly, what do you take me for?

08-01-2010, 12:27 PM	#29
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Is Drac being serious now or not? Seriously, I'm the only troll allowed in this RP! And Gem is German right? If so, then nothing can stop him from taking France and Italy. Its in his blood.