Links and quotes in OPs, and shit

[Grimpond]

Originally Posted by Jagos

The expectations of that community are different from this one, where people aren't as serious about certain political topics. You can look at most of the current news and you'll see a very similar posting style that gets people criticized here.

That's cool and all, but that is a different community altogether, with different rules and regulations, not to mention the people who access it.

Or was there a different point you were going for?

[Jagos]

Where do you think I learned to post the way that I do? I'm showing the expectations of that community as compared to this one. It wasn't clear before how people had them here.

[rpgdemon]

Thread creation

Start your threads with good, informative, long posts. People should be able to open your thread and have all the material you want to present right there. If you link to an article, you must quote it in full in your OP; likewise, if you quote something you must include a link or cite a source. You should also provide your own take on the issue in more than two or three general sentences. If you don't make a serious effort starting a thread, no one else can be expected to make a serious effort in replying.

Yeah, that does make things pretty unclear. Mixed messages and such, since people were making a serious effort in responding, when you didn't make a serious effort starting it. It's understandable.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Jagos

What actually angers me is how it's all my fault the interest level of an article to other people. Menarker, Insane, if you had a problem with how I posted, it would have done a helluva lot better to let me know.

I never actually said anything about your posting style and I don't think I ever commented on your posting style in any of your threads. I was just stating why I consider summaries to be the more preferred option, without any regards to how anyone else do it.

When I made the post, I was using the Skin Gun thread as my point of reference, where the link to the very interesting video was blocked from the view of anyone who was Canadian.

[Jagos]

Sorry, didn't mean to put that on you. I was actually responding to Grim since he named me specifically.

[shiney]

You may be the catalyst but not the only perpetrator. Just relax and take this from the discussion:

Summarize and present an argument or spark a discussion. Don't link, blurb and run.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Loyal

Can't speak for others, but this is a factor, yes.

This, p. much

[Fifthfiend]

HMM THAT'S RIGHT, THIS FORUM EXISTS

One thing I'd say is that "If you link to an article, you must quote it in full in your OP" should be amended purely on the basis that taking the entire article is basically copyright infringement or w/ev, you really aren't supposed to take more than a couple of paragraphs or so as far as I understand it. Which is a shame because it would make for a nice check against linkrot and such but yeah it's not something you're supposed to do.

Aside from that IDK.

[shiney]

As long as the source is credited then the infringement is null and void as far as I understand. So if you're going to quote something, reference the author, periodical/news source and provide a link. This should help us overcome any question of infringement.

If I'm wrong then we'll amend the policy outright because the last thing I want is for some idiotic overzealous corp to get a bug up their ass about us stealing ideas and articles.

[Jagos]

This really isn't a huge issue in regards to copyright infringement. You can use the entire article. Not only does the fair use doctrine and its four tests protect the user and the site, so does the DMCA and its safe harbors for third party liability. Granted, supposedly a takedown should be adhered, but the terms for the speed of the takedown is not defined in the DMCA. Should it be a week? A month? A few days? That's what's unclear.

However, the few places I will recommend avoiding to avoid this turn of events are:

Associated Press - Believes in copyright bullying

Las Vegas Review Journal - Began the copyright trolling in the news

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As other places become known for being copyright bullies with their news, I could add to this post. Otherwise, I've not heard of too many places that get uppity about news being spread. The main thing I've seen is people like to read a story at their own time so linking for that purpose would work better.