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Shyria Dracnoir · 10-11-2011, 02:06 AM

Ordered the 4670 a little while ago.

akaSM · 10-11-2011, 06:41 AM

Now, while getting something more powerful for a bit of extra cash is usually nice, I don't think Shy should do that now. Since she will keep this PC for a while, a bottlenecked (by the processor) card would be a waste of money and performance. Again, I had 60 FPS in TF2 with stff on the highest settings (except for AA and some other numbery setting) at 720P. This card is better than the one I had.

synkr0nized · 10-11-2011, 08:45 AM

Clearly it doesn't matter, as the purchase was made, but all I did was note the price of a card very similar to what she already had (forget the specifics of GTS vs. GTX) and the presence of better cards around the same price as the 4670. I mean listing two cards is hardly giving a person an idea of their options, or so was my thinking by linking to multiple options. *shrug* GDDR5 over GDDR3 and faster core processing and memory speed for only ten dollars with the potential to serve as an HTPC card or something in the future sounds like a good deal to me.

In general, I would say that replacing the CPU and snagging a nicer card is the way to go for folks that have single-core machines when possible to avoid the bottle-necking issue.

akaSM · 10-11-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by synkr0nized

In general, I would say that replacing the CPU and snagging a nicer card is the way to go for folks that have single-core machines when possible to avoid the bottle-necking issue.

You should consider this too, Shy, or at least start saving some money so that, whenever you need a new PC, you can have it as soon as you want it

As for unlocking the core, that's another option but, the last time Shy tried to do something with her PC (setting a TF2 server) it didn't end nicely o_o

OK, now the 2nd part of my previous reply (I was getting late for college >_>)

Hey Synk, it's nice to see you here. When it comes to PCs I'm always looking for your or Skweeb's posts :3

Actually, I only had those 2 choices because, I was looking for a GPU some time ago, I even asked for help here IIRC :P. Since her and mine processor are quite similar, I thought about telling her about one card that would be nice nice for that processor (i.e. one that wouldn't be bottlenecked a lot/at all), and another one in case she wanted a new PC.

BTW, I didn't buy a GPU because, now my mom and sis have replaced watching TV with watching videos on the internet so yeah >_>

Krylo · 10-11-2011, 03:14 PM

It's also worth noting that CPU bottlenecking a GPU isn't as easy as 'this CPU will bottleneck this GPU', nor is it always the case that the CPU is the bottleneck (though that's usually going to be the case with a single core machine).

It really depends on the games and the settings. Some games with some settings put a much higher load on the GPU than the CPU basically moving the heavy work around. Turning on anti-aliasing, shaders, etc. will put more load on your GPU and allow you to get more out of a high end vid-card even with a mid-low end CPU.

And, again, it varies based on how the game was optimized. There are some that show no difference in FPS with a high end GPU going from a 3.00 GHz to overclocked into 4.00 GHz. Edit: And others that show an incredibly steep performance boost at certain points.

synkr0nized · 10-12-2011, 08:11 AM

Yeah, I'm not convinced there's any hard and fast way to quantify just how much of a GPU is wasted due to bottlenecking or things like that on a general scale.

I may have overreacted to your post, akaSM, after having interpreted it as a bit hostile, and posted argumentatively, and for that I apologize.

Core unlocking is so neat, to me anyway. It's like a little game home builders get to play, gambling that they can spend less for additional performance. It requires a motherboard, though, that can do it, so in this case I don't think it's really relevant advice (so I left it in the subject line :D). When I stop living off graduate student moneys I would love to toss together some rigs and try to test my luck. But then I'd have the problem of having to find buyers for them or uses for them. I already have too many computers.

I guess I have to also hope they still produce their chips in such a way that the chance for stable cores still sittin' around remains a possibility.

akaSM · 10-12-2011, 01:28 PM

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what Krylo said about games

Yup, optimization can help a lot. My laptop could run Serious Sam HD TSE at a nice framerate at 1080p with highish settings; the same laptop choked on Blur at 720p with medium settings :/

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Originally Posted by synkr0nized

Yeah, I'm not convinced there's any hard and fast way to quantify just how much of a GPU is wasted due to bottlenecking or things like that on a general scale.

I may have overreacted to your post, akaSM, after having interpreted it as a bit hostile, and posted argumentatively, and for that I apologize.

Core unlocking is so neat, to me anyway. It's like a little game home builders get to play, gambling that they can spend less for additional performance. It requires a motherboard, though, that can do it, so in this case I don't think it's really relevant advice (so I left it in the subject line

). When I stop living off graduate student moneys I would love to toss together some rigs and try to test my luck. But then I'd have the problem of having to find buyers for them or uses for them. I already have too many computers.

I guess I have to also hope they still produce their chips in such a way that the chance for stable cores still sittin' around remains a possibility.

Don't worry Synk. If my post seemed aggressive towards you, I'd like to apologize

.

And yeah, there's no way to know how much will a certain CPU bottleneck a GPU.

While I trust NPF for advice, I don't know about whatever place Shy may go and look for the card, and I didn't want Shy to have the same experience I had some time ago.

Rant about a certain store

I love to tinker around with PC and other things. The only thing I've overclocked (AND undervolted

) was a phone, and it was awesome :3. If I cannot get the laptop I want (the american dollar has been wonky lately), I'll try to put a good rig together :3

10-11-2011, 02:06 AM	#21
Shyria Dracnoir Kawaii-ju Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Monster Island Posts: 4,240	Ordered the 4670 a little while ago. __________________ Godzilla vs. Gamera (1994)

10-11-2011, 08:45 AM	#23
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	She could also try to unlock a core, but that's a different thing entirely. Clearly it doesn't matter, as the purchase was made, but all I did was note the price of a card very similar to what she already had (forget the specifics of GTS vs. GTX) and the presence of better cards around the same price as the 4670. I mean listing two cards is hardly giving a person an idea of their options, or so was my thinking by linking to multiple options. shrug GDDR5 over GDDR3 and faster core processing and memory speed for only ten dollars with the potential to serve as an HTPC card or something in the future sounds like a good deal to me. In general, I would say that replacing the CPU and snagging a nicer card is the way to go for folks that have single-core machines when possible to avoid the bottle-necking issue. __________________ Find love. Last edited by synkr0nized; 10-11-2011 at 08:47 AM.

10-11-2011, 03:14 PM	#25
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	It's also worth noting that CPU bottlenecking a GPU isn't as easy as 'this CPU will bottleneck this GPU', nor is it always the case that the CPU is the bottleneck (though that's usually going to be the case with a single core machine). It really depends on the games and the settings. Some games with some settings put a much higher load on the GPU than the CPU basically moving the heavy work around. Turning on anti-aliasing, shaders, etc. will put more load on your GPU and allow you to get more out of a high end vid-card even with a mid-low end CPU. And, again, it varies based on how the game was optimized. There are some that show no difference in FPS with a high end GPU going from a 3.00 GHz to overclocked into 4.00 GHz. Edit: And others that show an incredibly steep performance boost at certain points. __________________ I am very tired.

10-12-2011, 08:11 AM	#26
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	I really enjoy building computers. Yeah, I'm not convinced there's any hard and fast way to quantify just how much of a GPU is wasted due to bottlenecking or things like that on a general scale. I may have overreacted to your post, akaSM, after having interpreted it as a bit hostile, and posted argumentatively, and for that I apologize. Core unlocking is so neat, to me anyway. It's like a little game home builders get to play, gambling that they can spend less for additional performance. It requires a motherboard, though, that can do it, so in this case I don't think it's really relevant advice (so I left it in the subject line :D). When I stop living off graduate student moneys I would love to toss together some rigs and try to test my luck. But then I'd have the problem of having to find buyers for them or uses for them. I already have too many computers. I guess I have to also hope they still produce their chips in such a way that the chance for stable cores still sittin' around remains a possibility. __________________ Find love.