Republicans Still Fucking Hate Women

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

I don't understand why anyone would idealise any minority groups though. That doesn't make sense to me.

Because cis people are fucking awful and I wanted to believe trans communities would be a chance to get away from that awfulness in its entirety, which was silly and naive of me.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Haha, that's dumb- everyone is dicks. Like if oppressed people were ace then 99% of humanity would be ace. Human history would be totally different too.

[Nique]

Originally Posted by Kim

First example would be seeing homophobia in gay groups when I identified as a gay man.

I remember the first time I heard a gay person use the phrase 'too gay' and I thought that was pretty fucked up. I think this is a thing that happens in oppressed groups eventually because like, I guess it stems from wanting to be more accepted. It's just sad that this turns into throwing everyone else under the bus, as it were.

And even though Bum Bill Bee's post is uh,

Originally Posted by Premmy

Actually complete bullshit

I don't think it's trolling, at least not intentionally. This is pretty common confusion/ bothsidez thinking about issues that aren't fully understood.

But it's all pretty shitty finger pointing and attempts to shift the blame away from privileged groups. Are you actually disillusioned, Bill, or is this just some bullshit conscience easing?

[Locke cole]

How old is the term "cis" anyway?

I swear, I never heard that term before last year, and suddenly it's everywhere.

What bugs me is that we now have a relatively neutral word for people with that sort of identity (as opposed to loaded words like "normal", which don't really describe it all that well in the first place), and it seems I only see it used as a slur most of the time.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It's more that there is a massive disconnect between our actions and feelings when we are target compared to when somebody else is the target. It's the same reason poor people vote conservative and you get gay homophobes. People aren't extremely nonrational, they are little balls of strange urges and cultural outpourings.

[Nique]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "to/this the near side," which is antonymous with the Latin-derived prefix trans-

And wikipedia goes on to say it's been in use for about 15-20 years, but really only about in the last 6 years or so for common usage.

Originally Posted by Locke

What bugs me is that we now have a relatively neutral word for people with that sort of identity (as opposed to loaded words like "normal", which don't really describe it all that well in the first place), and it seems I only see it used as a slur most of the time.

It's no more of a slur than 'white' would be if Kim used that word instead so what exactly are you getting at?

Originally Posted by Smarty

It's more that there is a massive disconnect between our actions and feelings when we are target compared to when somebody else is the target.

I'm sure this is true. But I think there is a motive for that disconnect in that all of us tend to look at qualities we might have, ones that society doesn't seem to value, and rationalize it's impact ('At least I'm not as gay as that guy', etc).

[Locke cole]

I'm not sure what I was really "getting at", I suppose

[Nique]

Well, it's not anymore of a slur than words like 'trans', or 'black' and probably even less then that? Like, Kim was using it in a somewhat pejorative way but the context clearly refers to institutional bigotry among that group?

I dunno. Obviously I would not like to be grouped in with awful people but that use of 'Cis' can't really hurt me in the same way since if it is a 'slur
it's almost always used in a way that refers to an actually true problem.

[Locke cole]

Alright.

Sorry. I'll try to think of what I'm saying more in the future.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Nique

It's no more of a slur than 'white' would be if Kim used that word instead so what exactly are you getting at?

Its not so much Kim as it is the larger tumblr Social Justice Olympics community such as Riley etc. that have basically coopted "cis" as an all-purpose argument ender, generally in the form of drowning out dissent or disagreement by calling all those not in lockstep a bunch of cidgendered fucks and other such wonderful terms.

its basically made it utterly impossible to discuss social issues on the internet now without getting lumped in with psychotic net crusaders who make Valerie Solanas look like a calm and reasonable voice for equality.