Eclipse Phase: Frosted Glass Discussion - Page 31

Geminex · 06-03-2010, 07:26 PM

We won't necessarily be using this criticism in-character. Or I won't be, anyway. We've only just met, like you said, there's no reason for our characters to be immediately suspicious of each other. Though Daniel seems to be expecting betrayal from Spectre.

krogothwolf · 06-03-2010, 07:27 PM

I'm not actually going to be, I'm just pointing out a problem with a character like her's making those kind of statements. It makes no sense for her to mention things like that or lie about it just brings attention to things not really important and would make people more cautious when dealing with her suspicious.

Overcast · 06-03-2010, 07:32 PM

If you know your background you might try to separate yourself from it. You only have one chance for a first impression, so why not try to stem the stereotyping early?

As I always say, "It is only blank if you want it to be." Only in this case blank is replaced with suspicious.

Dracorion · 06-03-2010, 07:32 PM

Hey, Ellen was technically telling the truth. Sort of. From a certain point of view.

She's more ambitious, anyway. And come on, she's a socialite. You're telling me your character wouldn't suspect she was shallow even if she hadn't said it? People were going to be suspicious of her regardless. But she's going to be working hard to prove to everyone that she's not shallow.

Geminex · 06-03-2010, 07:36 PM

Better be a good actor, then. And leave her dignity at the door.

krogothwolf · 06-03-2010, 07:37 PM

yeah, but calling attention to it is silly, you;re just putting it out there for something to get caught in. You should have just left it, do you really think you're in a group of people who care if you're shallow or not? doubtful, you would have had to prove your not shallow naturally, but now you have to really make sure you prove you're not shallow by drawing attention to it. Desmond doesn't care, he ignored what you said. Knowing you're playing a manipulative character, you have to keep your lies to important things, the less lying about silly things, the less likely to get caught in one is all.

Dracorion · 06-03-2010, 07:44 PM

Ellen doesn't have a lot of dignity. Really, the only thing she won't do is repeatedly blow rich assholes with disgusting fetishes in order for a little bit of access to one of the already discovered Gates.

Remember, Ellen is trying to get in with your characters. That means looking human and accessible. She's going to pretend to get embarrassed and sad and happy and connect with everyone and shit. That means telling an obvious lie so that when someone calls you on it you can tell a better lie that makes you look more accessible. Like "well, see, it's just... I guess I'm just really insecure about myself". Obviously it'll be better than that, but you get my point.

It's like her "I... wish I had more to offer for that purpose" line. She's trying to look like she's not perfect, which she is. And along the line she's still going to prove herself a valuable member of the team, so there's no real doubt about her usefulness.

Lind, having his own crippling faults, shouldn't have much problem with her. Tyrfing and Henric neither, I think. Dez doesn't care, so her biggest problems should be Daniel and Spectre.

krogothwolf · 06-03-2010, 07:49 PM

Just warning you about lying to much about little things, or even trying to hard on little things, you don't want to have to watch every little step of the way. No one's going to be suspicious of anything you do off the get go, but if you draw things out to much it might make it harder for them to trust you. Lying to cover a lie can also back fire because then you screw that up you're now lying to cover a lie to cover a lie. It'd be better for Ellen to try not to lie about so many things just to fit in, manipulative or not, you'll end up getting caught eventually if you keep lies complicated. Make em short and sweet and far enough between that no one will notice.

Dracorion · 06-03-2010, 07:51 PM

Yeah, I get what you're saying. She's just making a couple of little lies now to sweeten up the nicer members of the team.

Geminex · 06-03-2010, 08:15 PM

Question:
Enhanced senses give you bonuses to perception checks, yes?
Enhanced vision gives you bonuses to perception involving vision, enhanced smell gives you bonuses to perception involving smell, you get the picture.

Well, Spectre has enchanced vision, hearing, and smell.
If a test uses more than 1 sense, would those bonuses stack? Like, say he's trying to detect a camoflogued enemy. He'd be looking for him, primarily, but he could be trying to smell him as well. Or even listening for said enemy's movements and breathing. Would I just get the +20 bonus for one enhanced sense, or would I actually get +40, or even +60?

06-03-2010, 07:27 PM	#302
krogothwolf Fetched the Candy Cane! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 4,278	I'm not actually going to be, I'm just pointing out a problem with a character like her's making those kind of statements. It makes no sense for her to mention things like that or lie about it just brings attention to things not really important and would make people more cautious when dealing with her suspicious. __________________ Knowledge is Power, Power is Knowledge ╔╦╦══╦══╦═╦══╦══╦╗╔╦╦╦╦══╦╗╔═╗ ║═╣╠═║╔╗║╔╣╔╗╠╗╔╣╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║═╣ ║║║╔╗╣╚╝║║║╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║║╚╝║╚╣╔╝ ╚╩╩╝╚╩══╩═╩══╝╚╝╚╝╚╩══╩══╩═╩╝

06-03-2010, 07:32 PM	#303
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	If you know your background you might try to separate yourself from it. You only have one chance for a first impression, so why not try to stem the stereotyping early? As I always say, "It is only blank if you want it to be." Only in this case blank is replaced with suspicious. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

06-03-2010, 07:32 PM	#304
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Hey, Ellen was technically telling the truth. Sort of. From a certain point of view. She's more ambitious, anyway. And come on, she's a socialite. You're telling me your character wouldn't suspect she was shallow even if she hadn't said it? People were going to be suspicious of her regardless. But she's going to be working hard to prove to everyone that she's not shallow. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-03-2010, 07:37 PM	#306
krogothwolf Fetched the Candy Cane! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 4,278	yeah, but calling attention to it is silly, you;re just putting it out there for something to get caught in. You should have just left it, do you really think you're in a group of people who care if you're shallow or not? doubtful, you would have had to prove your not shallow naturally, but now you have to really make sure you prove you're not shallow by drawing attention to it. Desmond doesn't care, he ignored what you said. Knowing you're playing a manipulative character, you have to keep your lies to important things, the less lying about silly things, the less likely to get caught in one is all. __________________ Knowledge is Power, Power is Knowledge ╔╦╦══╦══╦═╦══╦══╦╗╔╦╦╦╦══╦╗╔═╗ ║═╣╠═║╔╗║╔╣╔╗╠╗╔╣╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║═╣ ║║║╔╗╣╚╝║║║╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║║╚╝║╚╣╔╝ ╚╩╩╝╚╩══╩═╩══╝╚╝╚╝╚╩══╩══╩═╩╝

06-03-2010, 07:44 PM	#307
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Ellen doesn't have a lot of dignity. Really, the only thing she won't do is repeatedly blow rich assholes with disgusting fetishes in order for a little bit of access to one of the already discovered Gates. Remember, Ellen is trying to get in with your characters. That means looking human and accessible. She's going to pretend to get embarrassed and sad and happy and connect with everyone and shit. That means telling an obvious lie so that when someone calls you on it you can tell a better lie that makes you look more accessible. Like "well, see, it's just... I guess I'm just really insecure about myself". Obviously it'll be better than that, but you get my point. It's like her "I... wish I had more to offer for that purpose" line. She's trying to look like she's not perfect, which she is. And along the line she's still going to prove herself a valuable member of the team, so there's no real doubt about her usefulness. Lind, having his own crippling faults, shouldn't have much problem with her. Tyrfing and Henric neither, I think. Dez doesn't care, so her biggest problems should be Daniel and Spectre. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 06-03-2010 at 07:47 PM.

06-03-2010, 07:26 PM	#301
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	We won't necessarily be using this criticism in-character. Or I won't be, anyway. We've only just met, like you said, there's no reason for our characters to be immediately suspicious of each other. Though Daniel seems to be expecting betrayal from Spectre.

06-03-2010, 07:36 PM	#305
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Better be a good actor, then. And leave her dignity at the door.

06-03-2010, 07:49 PM	#308
krogothwolf Fetched the Candy Cane! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 4,278	Just warning you about lying to much about little things, or even trying to hard on little things, you don't want to have to watch every little step of the way. No one's going to be suspicious of anything you do off the get go, but if you draw things out to much it might make it harder for them to trust you. Lying to cover a lie can also back fire because then you screw that up you're now lying to cover a lie to cover a lie. It'd be better for Ellen to try not to lie about so many things just to fit in, manipulative or not, you'll end up getting caught eventually if you keep lies complicated. Make em short and sweet and far enough between that no one will notice. __________________ Knowledge is Power, Power is Knowledge ╔╦╦══╦══╦═╦══╦══╦╗╔╦╦╦╦══╦╗╔═╗ ║═╣╠═║╔╗║╔╣╔╗╠╗╔╣╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║═╣ ║║║╔╗╣╚╝║║║╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║║╚╝║╚╣╔╝ ╚╩╩╝╚╩══╩═╩══╝╚╝╚╝╚╩══╩══╩═╩╝

06-03-2010, 07:51 PM	#309
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Yeah, I get what you're saying. She's just making a couple of little lies now to sweeten up the nicer members of the team. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-03-2010, 08:15 PM	#310
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Question: Enhanced senses give you bonuses to perception checks, yes? Enhanced vision gives you bonuses to perception involving vision, enhanced smell gives you bonuses to perception involving smell, you get the picture. Well, Spectre has enchanced vision, hearing, and smell. If a test uses more than 1 sense, would those bonuses stack? Like, say he's trying to detect a camoflogued enemy. He'd be looking for him, primarily, but he could be trying to smell him as well. Or even listening for said enemy's movements and breathing. Would I just get the +20 bonus for one enhanced sense, or would I actually get +40, or even +60?