Homestuck Mafia Thread - Page 31

Aldurin · 08-16-2011, 12:21 AM

Please rpg, stop before I have to increase my facepalm counter for this game (it's gotten pretty high since the HORRIFIC lynching decisions we've made in the past).

rpgdemon · 08-16-2011, 12:22 AM

Alright, well, dick move Snake. ):< Making players thrust into an unwinnable situation based on a double random chance (Randomly getting chosen, randomly not being given the right description) thing that they have no control over is not good design.

##unvote: P-Sleazy

But you know what? I don't want to believe this is an unwinnable situation. I am not changing my vote to me. I DEFY anyone to come out and be John Egbert. Who wants to prove their accusations right, that I was taking refuge in audacity, by pretending to be the main character of Homestuck?

If it were true, why didn't you come out and say it at first, when I first came out and said I was Egbert, when I thought we were supposed to RP this thing?

See if anyone pops out to say that they're me. Wait on the lynch at least until then. If they do, they prove themselves as scum come the lynch, if I'm a townie. Or, if I'm not a townie, they can easily resolve and clarify this situation, at no risk to themselves. If no one comes out and says that they're Egbert, I think that's telling enough by itself. I highly doubt that you guys would think the main character role of Homestuck would be left blank, or left to be a safe character for a scum to pretend to be. Heck, there are exactly three characters who would make sense to be bulletproofs.

1) John Egbert.
2) Vriska.
3) Aradia.

All three of them, through shenanigans in story, reached a state where they can only be killed heroically or justly. If any of those three come out and say that their identity is one of those three characters, I'll self lynch, and you have an immediate target who is scum, once you see that I'm a townie. If none of them come out and say anything, well, that offers credence to my story, wouldn't it?

I defy one of those three to come out as TOWN Bulletproof.

If I'm lying, and they are one of these three characters, coming out costs them nothing, as the Mob still can't target them, -and- they get to prove themselves to be innocent, come next lynch, if I'm scum. If I'm a townie though, and telling the truth, no scum would dare take their name, as they'd identify themselves.

***Fenris*** · 08-16-2011, 12:24 AM

rpg, just 'cause you're bulletproof doesn't preclude other people from also being bulletproof.

The whole basis of this defense is flawed from the beginning.

***Fenris*** · 08-16-2011, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenris

rpg, just 'cause you're bulletproof doesn't preclude other people from also being bulletproof.

The whole basis of this defense is flawed from the beginning.

This is from a game I ran, simply because it comes to mind:

Lookit alla 'dem duplicate roles

I mean, it's not unheard of to have a couple duplicates. Especially in a game that doesn't seem to have more than one night-killer.

rpgdemon · 08-16-2011, 12:29 AM

All it would mean if other people are bulletproofs is that on my side the defense is harder to maintain. If other bulletproofs exist, then even if I'm telling the truth about being John, I could still be "proven" wrong. And heck, they could claim to be one of the other two characters listed, and say that even if I'm telling the truth about being John, they're totally that other character.

I can't be proven right by extra bulletproofs though. In fact, they'd double prove me wrong.

***Fenris*** · 08-16-2011, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

All it would mean if other people are bulletproofs is that on my side the defense is harder to maintain. If other bulletproofs exist, then even if I'm telling the truth about being John, I could still be "proven" wrong. And heck, they could claim to be one of the other two characters listed, and say that even if I'm telling the truth about being John, they're totally that other character.

I can't be proven right by extra bulletproofs though. In fact, they'd double prove me wrong.

What?

This isn't even a defense anymore, you're just spouting words.

rpgdemon · 08-16-2011, 12:33 AM

Yes it is.

Look at it logically: Having duplicate Bulletproof roles means that I can be proven to be a liar, by my defense stated above, even if I'm not a liar.

On the other hand, having duplicate Bulletproof roles can't prove me to be telling the truth, if I'm not telling the truth.

***Fenris*** · 08-16-2011, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Yes it is.

Look at it logically: Having duplicate Bulletproof roles means that I can be proven to be a liar, by my defense stated above, even if I'm not a liar.

On the other hand, having duplicate Bulletproof roles can't prove me to be telling the truth, if I'm not telling the truth.

That's not logic though, if there are duplicate bulletproof roles, that means that two (or more!) people are immune to night kills.

This is not at all uncommon in mafia games.

rpgdemon · 08-16-2011, 12:40 AM

It is completely looking at the thing logically.

If a bulletproof comes out as being bulletproof, I will take it as conclusive, hatchet buried in the corpse evidence, that I am unsalvageably seen as scum. There's no way that a scum would lie about being bulletproof just to put me under the dagger a bit more, if I were innocent, as I'll be lynched within 48 hours without their intervention. The only people who would want to come out as bulletproof are those who themselves are town bulletproofs, and believe me to be scum, to prove that I'm scum. They have nothing to lose by doing so. The only reason -NOT- to come out as being a town bulletproof is if you know that I'm innocent, and don't want to make yourself look guilty.

rpgdemon · 08-16-2011, 12:42 AM

All that a second bulletproof would mean is someone can be convinced that I'm scum because they're bulletproof and because of your investigation, and say, "Yo, I'm bulletproof", without lying. All that it means is that there wouldn't even be very negative repercussions to the scum who do it, except if they get caught by the real person they're trying to impersonate.

08-16-2011, 12:22 AM	#302
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Alright, well, dick move Snake. ):< Making players thrust into an unwinnable situation based on a double random chance (Randomly getting chosen, randomly not being given the right description) thing that they have no control over is not good design. ##unvote: P-Sleazy But you know what? I don't want to believe this is an unwinnable situation. I am not changing my vote to me. I DEFY anyone to come out and be John Egbert. Who wants to prove their accusations right, that I was taking refuge in audacity, by pretending to be the main character of Homestuck? If it were true, why didn't you come out and say it at first, when I first came out and said I was Egbert, when I thought we were supposed to RP this thing? See if anyone pops out to say that they're me. Wait on the lynch at least until then. If they do, they prove themselves as scum come the lynch, if I'm a townie. Or, if I'm not a townie, they can easily resolve and clarify this situation, at no risk to themselves. If no one comes out and says that they're Egbert, I think that's telling enough by itself. I highly doubt that you guys would think the main character role of Homestuck would be left blank, or left to be a safe character for a scum to pretend to be. Heck, there are exactly three characters who would make sense to be bulletproofs. 1) John Egbert. 2) Vriska. 3) Aradia. All three of them, through shenanigans in story, reached a state where they can only be killed heroically or justly. If any of those three come out and say that their identity is one of those three characters, I'll self lynch, and you have an immediate target who is scum, once you see that I'm a townie. If none of them come out and say anything, well, that offers credence to my story, wouldn't it? I defy one of those three to come out as TOWN Bulletproof. If I'm lying, and they are one of these three characters, coming out costs them nothing, as the Mob still can't target them, -and- they get to prove themselves to be innocent, come next lynch, if I'm scum. If I'm a townie though, and telling the truth, no scum would dare take their name, as they'd identify themselves. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-16-2011, 12:24 AM	#303
*Fenris* Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Coast Posts: 6,806	rpg, just 'cause you're bulletproof doesn't preclude other people from also being bulletproof. The whole basis of this defense is flawed from the beginning. __________________ "FENRIS IS AN ASSHOLE" - shiney

08-16-2011, 12:29 AM	#305
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	All it would mean if other people are bulletproofs is that on my side the defense is harder to maintain. If other bulletproofs exist, then even if I'm telling the truth about being John, I could still be "proven" wrong. And heck, they could claim to be one of the other two characters listed, and say that even if I'm telling the truth about being John, they're totally that other character. I can't be proven right by extra bulletproofs though. In fact, they'd double prove me wrong. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-16-2011, 12:33 AM	#307
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Yes it is. Look at it logically: Having duplicate Bulletproof roles means that I can be proven to be a liar, by my defense stated above, even if I'm not a liar. On the other hand, having duplicate Bulletproof roles can't prove me to be telling the truth, if I'm not telling the truth. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-16-2011, 12:40 AM	#309
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	It is completely looking at the thing logically. If a bulletproof comes out as being bulletproof, I will take it as conclusive, hatchet buried in the corpse evidence, that I am unsalvageably seen as scum. There's no way that a scum would lie about being bulletproof just to put me under the dagger a bit more, if I were innocent, as I'll be lynched within 48 hours without their intervention. The only people who would want to come out as bulletproof are those who themselves are town bulletproofs, and believe me to be scum, to prove that I'm scum. They have nothing to lose by doing so. The only reason -NOT- to come out as being a town bulletproof is if you know that I'm innocent, and don't want to make yourself look guilty. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-16-2011, 12:21 AM	#301
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	Please rpg, stop before I have to increase my facepalm counter for this game (it's gotten pretty high since the HORRIFIC lynching decisions we've made in the past).

08-16-2011, 12:42 AM	#310
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	All that a second bulletproof would mean is someone can be convinced that I'm scum because they're bulletproof and because of your investigation, and say, "Yo, I'm bulletproof", without lying. All that it means is that there wouldn't even be very negative repercussions to the scum who do it, except if they get caught by the real person they're trying to impersonate. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.